2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

No, you can get mad at them all you like, it is an important issue, and many people are very emotional about it. Getting angry will naturally be a part of the discussion. That said, I believe the debate should be over social welfare and public health policy.

Folks should be free to discuss moderate ideas without being lumped in with the most extreme takes.

I acknowledge that for some people, protests against restrictions are also about race, but for the majority it isn't.

tying moderates and extremists together just because you disagree with them is Disney movie levels of ambiguity.

flatting peoples motivations as to reify them is poor critical analysis.

So, at very least, you would say that if you switch the word "disagree" to "agree," every supporter of the convoy is guilty of the bolded, right?

And isn't this:

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

A part of that complexity is of course the fact that some white nationalists want to end restrictions. Obviously them showing up to the same place...

being guilty of this?

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Just the same I don't support over simplification and projection.

Because we know it's not just "people who showed up" but the actual organizers, and some of the speakers that were specifically invited to this occupation.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So, at very least, you would say that if you switch the word "disagree" to "agree," every supporter of the convoy is guilty of the bolded, right?

Yes, but it isn't so simple as that. Like I was saying it is complex. There are heaps of racists who like the Beatles, or hot dogs but that doesn't mean I am a racists because I like those things too.

You can want to end restrictions and not be racist, even though lots of racists want to end restrictions.

I am not trying to explain away the racists. They are there they are real, and there is overlap between the two groups. That is a matter of fact. But there can be folks who want to end restrictions and not be racist. Thats it. Thats my point.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Yes, but it isn't so simple as that. Like I was saying it is complex. There are heaps of racists who like the Beatles, or hot dogs but that doesn't mean I am a racists because I like those things too.

You can want to end restrictions and not be racist, even though lots of racists want to end restrictions.

Sure, and you can want to end the restrictions and avoid lending your support to something organized and headlined by racists.

Just because you like the Beatles, do you think you should be totally absolved of any criticism for joining up with a white supremacist Beatles fan club? I mean sure, you're not a white supremacist, you just like the Beatles... how else could you possibly prove your love for the Beatles without joining this specific group?

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496185340469600260


LOL. Just to add to your bad not good day.

A little birdie told me that they were having trouble finding him. Nobody would tell the law office what hotel he was at. They tried a half dozen times to serve him previously, but he was moving around a lot. And often it was unsafe to serve him with supporters around. This was always going to be the easiest and safest way to serve him notice.

[Matata]

Convincing people to judge a large group based on the most extreme members is just about the oldest play in the divide-and-conquer Playbook. Still works like gangbusters though.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Matata

Convincing people to judge a large group based on the most extreme members is just about the oldest play in the divide-and-conquer Playbook. Still works like gangbusters though.

When those extreme members are the ones organizing it, it's a little different than people popping up in the crowd. You are literally following racists into an overthrow of a democratically elected government. It's not Trudeau making them look bad, it's them making themselves look bad. Maybe people will be a little bit more careful looking into what they are funding the next time this happens.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

The extreme were the organizers.

fuzz beat me - edit

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Matata

Convincing people to judge a large group based on the most extreme members is just about the oldest play in the divide-and-conquer Playbook. Still works like gangbusters though.

Seems common to judge the federal Liberal party for the actions of Trudeau. Seems apropos to judge these protesters based on whom they followed to Ottawa as well.

It would be different if the leadership and organizing force of this convoy weren't horrible human beings.

[Ozy_Flame]

This court proceeding is essential reading today, and incredibly interesting to see how they now have to defend their vitriol and absurd behavior in front of a judge. They're collapsing like cards IMO.

And I can't get any work done

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Bagor

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496129150071017474

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496129441101139974

This guy is putting out some great information on Lich King et al so I've following him with notifications of his tweets for the time being. I'll remove the notifications later when this interesting stuff ends or becomes less interesting.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I think this was discussed earlier but who makes the final call to freeze the account of a suspected protester?

Freeland? The RCMP? The bank?

[djsFlames]

If you're using your eyes you'll notice that restrictions are lifting as we speak.

This is a fluid situation that isn't at the control of the govenment, but it's also a temporary one. If you're actually a righteous citizen who wants the best for all, you'll ride it out like the rest of us.

There is no reason for all of this. There never was. It only required patience and understanding for what the mandates and measures were there to accomplish. Just because you're fed up of being stuck at home or having options available to you temporarily limited, it doesn't justify holding up borders and terrorizing a community and its businesses for something that is inherently selfish at its core (because you want your freedom even at the cost of people that will perish as a result of opening everything prematurely). Sure, your intentions may be good, but you're lacking gratitude for how good you already have it even in these conditions. We are still largely free to do a LOT of things right now, even with the mandates. You're not oppressed, you're not being confined by a brutal dictatorship. It's so over the top and exaggerated beyond the reality of the situation. You've never experienced real oppression in your life, so you're making mountains out of mole hills.

I'm all for freedom. But I don't place all freedoms over the well being of people in health care who have been overwhelmed and the ability of hospitals to carry out procedures for everyone to ensure that as many survive their ailments through this period of time as possible.

If you're not on board with that because you want to be able to go to an event with your buddies then you're not understanding the restrictions to begin with, and your worldview is very narrow, self-focused, and lacking in true compassion.

Past generations have had to make much larger sacrifices and endured worst circumstances than we have. We live in the best time there has ever been to be alive. Even with the restrictions in the midst of a pandemic, it's relatively speaking immeasurably easier to live in the world today than a century ago.

Try enjoying what you do have rather than wasting government and municipal resources over petty extra privileges you probably took for granted before.

Live in this country, play by its rules. Otherwise go live in the US if you want to be free and reckless. The rest of us don't care what you do. Just quit being kyt disturbers.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496201724171800579
The great thing about these morons recording and broadcasting everything they do and say is it makes the trail of evidence pretty easy to track down, and it's not second hand. "And here is a video of you encouraging your followers to break the law" usually doesn't end well for you.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496201724171800579
The great thing about these morons recording and broadcasting everything they do and say is it makes the trail of evidence pretty easy to track down, and it's not second hand. "And here is a video of you encouraging your followers to break the law" usually doesn't end well for you.

The narcissism and unfathomable need for constant attention may finally be their downfall.

I would imagine Chris Scott will be in the same situation in the coming weeks and months. Correction, I hope he will be in the same situation. With the amount of content he's generated the last month I have no clue how he will avoid being charged and how he can possibly hope to defend himself.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496198146355081218

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496198146355081218

Not that this is important at all, just odd… but how does he have hair and a man bun when the photo of him being arrested showed him as bald as I am?

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

It's a sketch, a crazy good one but still a drawing

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

It's a sketch, a crazy good one but still a drawing

Yeah I know. Doesn’t change the fact that either he sprouted hair overnight or the artist added it. Unless the photo I saw wasn’t Pat King.

Edit; it wasn’t him. Don’t mind me.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah I know. Doesn’t change the fact that either he sprouted hair overnight or the artist added it. Unless the photo I saw wasn’t Pat King.

In the selfie video of Pat being arrested he is wearing a hat. Every picture and video I see him in he has a hat on. You saw one without?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1494730665404809218

[Ozy_Flame]

Gotta say, it's tough to see him wear the words ODIN on a sweatshirt when he has been at counter-protests in Central Alberta that were also linked to the Soldiers of Odin group.