2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[TheIronMaiden]

I get the sense that most people who support removing restrictions ( the actual point of the protests) have no idea who the organizers are. They are just fed up with restrictions and want to let the government know.

I've said it before, and it is worth repeating. Lots of racists support removing restrictions, but you can want to remove restrictions and not be racist.

you might disagree with these peoples stance on restrictions. but that doesn't give you the right to paint them as a homogenous group.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You are ashamed of "we" because an extremely small handful of Calgarians posted some "make only white children" propaganda? How many people do you think were involved in that? Ten? Twenty? Should Muslims be ashamed of themselves because a very small faction of them are terrorists? When will people realize that we can't control everyone and there are always going to be some bad apples yet it seems the left has done a really good job of creating a rhetoric that if you aren't aligned with them then you are a white supremist, bigot, anti-LGBTQ. Honestly I find some of your post misguided and offensive quite frankly.

Jonathan Kay covers the hysteria over the truckers well in this article:

https://quillette.com/2022/02/21/the...-it-was-worse/

He debunks many of the media narratives and fake news that was passed around on twitter. Worth a read for anyone who wants to understand how the distorting lens of social media confounds our understanding of contentious issues.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Jonathan Kay covers the hysteria over the truckers well in this article:

I'm sure the man who was shocked to find out he'd been washing his hair with dog shampoo for months despite the bottle saying "for pets" and having a picture of a dog on the front is going to provide us with a greater understanding of the more intricate and complicated aspects of life.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Here I am just hoping Cliff doesn't abandon this conversation like the last he engaged with this thread.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

What conversation? He posted a link to an article. And it actually has some pretty funny stuff in it, though it seems to me the overall takeaway isn't so much "this whole trucker convoy episode wasn't as bad as people have made out" as "you should immediately quit twitter if you haven't already".

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What conversation? He posted a link to an article. And it actually has some pretty funny stuff in it, though it seems to me the overall takeaway isn't so much "this whole trucker convoy episode wasn't as bad as people have made out" as "you should immediately quit twitter if you haven't already".

Yeah, but that's just because he regularly gets made fun of on twitter for doing things like using dog shampoo.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What conversation? He posted a link to an article. And it actually has some pretty funny stuff in it, though it seems to me the overall takeaway isn't so much "this whole trucker convoy episode wasn't as bad as people have made out" as "you should immediately quit twitter if you haven't already".

Previous ones.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What conversation? He posted a link to an article. And it actually has some pretty funny stuff in it, though it seems to me the overall takeaway isn't so much "this whole trucker convoy episode wasn't as bad as people have made out" as "you should immediately quit twitter if you haven't already".

Article summary:

Ignore all those anecdotal tweets about the protest. They were wrong. Here's some anecdotal tweets that prove it.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

There isn't really any rebuttal necessary - the examples of hysterical over-the-top tweets he refers to are hilariously absurd on their face. "If you run into any truckers, pretend you're not a Jew"... just outstanding stuff. That algorithm sure does love its outrage porn.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

There isn't really any rebuttal necessary - the examples of hysterical over-the-top tweets he refers to are hilariously absurd on their face. "If you run into any truckers, pretend you're not a Jew"... just outstanding stuff. That algorithm sure does love its outrage porn.

That's for sure. The for enraging the tweet, the more the interaction - this tweet below will get more likes, replies and retweets then everyone this board could ever get combined.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1494849704923967491

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Jonathan Kay covers the hysteria over the truckers well in this article:

https://quillette.com/2022/02/21/the...-it-was-worse/

He debunks many of the media narratives and fake news that was passed around on twitter. Worth a read for anyone who wants to understand how the distorting lens of social media confounds our understanding of contentious issues.

It has some valid points, but he doesn't do himself any favors by simultaneously buying into some of his own fake outrage through the same platforms. Using an Andy Ngo tweet as confirmation that the guy who drove into protesters in Winnipeg was the head of Antifa and a pedophile, for example. Something that has not been confirmed by any legitimate media outlet and just highly Andy Ngoish.

This was a particularly interesting take considering the countless references we have to journalists being harassed and assaulted by protesters across the country: "An Edmonton journalist dramatically announced that he was taking the identifying corporate stickers off his car because he feared being set upon by feral yobs (though he couldn’t have been too scared, as he included photos of his car in his announcement)."

Ya, as if the small photo could somehow fully identify some random white SUV. It's also quite revealing that Kay chose not to tackle the rampant misinformation and incitement vomited in social media circles by the likes of Rebel Media, Ezra Levante, Keean Bexte, Western Standard, NY Post, et al.

Look, of course we need to be careful with how we use language and labeling. And, I can even agree that some posters, pundits, and even Mr. Trudeau could, at the very least, made it more clear who they were targeting in their messaging. However, most of the rational discourse I have seen around this has appropriately identified the head of this snake eating its own tail, of which is comprised mostly of blue collar workers frustrated with the mandates, restrictions, and governance.

In other words, it doesn't help the hysteria when certain right-leaning critics spin calling out the organizers as deceitful people with highly troubling histories, tying them to some pretty abhorrent ideas and activities, as some kind of fabricated effort to broadly paint the entire movement as racists and misogynists. It's pretty clear who we are talking about.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

That's for sure. The for enraging the tweet, the more the interaction - this tweet below will get more likes, replies and retweets then everyone this board could ever get combined.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1494849704923967491

Sorry but anyone sharing Ezra and Candace Owens tweets should be instabanned.

Like who takes mouthings from these 2 jackasses seriously?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I get the sense that most people who support removing restrictions ( the actual point of the protests) have no idea who the organizers are. They are just fed up with restrictions and want to let the government know.

I've said it before, and it is worth repeating. Lots of racists support removing restrictions, but you can want to remove restrictions and not be racist.

you might disagree with these peoples stance on restrictions. but that doesn't give you the right to paint them as a homogenous group.

Lol don't get mad at the morons that were led into becoming fodder/ common rabble for an insurrection!

Listen to yourself man.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Yamer

The surety is someone he just met in Ottawa and it sounds like he may have pulled a con job on her. She seems competent but completely ignorant to all the craziness Pat has been spewing for a decade, although it's hard to believe someone who would cuddle up to Pat King in the first place.

At this point, I don't think Pat is getting bail. It's clear this woman who is standing as his surety has no real clue who he really is.

I don't know about that. She travelled to Ottawa in his convoy and she's not a inactive bystander. She's on a donation platform with him.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496169505109598208

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Bagor

I don't know about that. She travelled to Ottawa in his convoy and she's not a inactive bystander. She's on a donation platform with him.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496169505109598208

It seems to me Pat King did Pat King things to a vulnerable person, as is tradition. Probably doesn't absolve her of her involvement, though.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1496185340469600260


LOL. Just to add to your bad not good day.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Was just watching some clips from parliament yesterday.

Some moron idiot MP from AB was wondering why they are invoking this emergency act to solve a parking problem! lol

How effing out of touch are these right wing deplorables? haha

I'm uneasy about these people that are feeling outraged and defensive from their homes half the country away over a movement led by a few radical right wingers from the prairies that guzzled money from the public and encouraged (without outright admitting it) the Canadian version of last year's capitol siege, using trucker support as their trojan horse to try to accomplish it.

If you think Trudeau is the only big baddie in all of this then you're clearly not observing your "own people" with the same lens of scrutiny. For many I don't think they realize that the people they're rooting on also represent the kind of scum that they've previously condemned in other circumstances around the globe that didn't hit as close to home.

I think because it's an issue that effects us directly, many people are more prone to not seeing what it is they are advocating for when they jumped behind the convoy. Objectivity is more sorely lacking in this day and age than ever before with such sensationalism that runs rampant on the internet, using words such as freedom to hook people from an emotional standpoint. People also have a hard time admitting when they're being hypocritical or made a mistake in judgement in this day and age. It's more convenient to overlook the red flags that are now popping out left and right and continue to support the side they put their stake in for and then brush it under the rug years down the road when they're condemning a similar movement in another country because it's easier to see from afar as having seditious intentions.

The wisest people never get caught up in movements like this at a moment's notice. They take their time to analyze it for what it is and question all sides of the issues, and even then, they recognize the rights and wrongs committed by both parties (and hell, I don't think Trudeau and the government handled this well in the early stages).

The more you're prone to commit to a cause when you don't even know the people that are behind it, nor have vetted them to understand their full intentions, the less objectively you are seeing the world and the more senseless you're being by pushing all your chips in.

The movement was an emotional thing for many involved in it, not an intellectual one. The problem with emotions riding that high, is it involves the brain and rational thought less and less as it escalates.

If you can't recognize the wrong doings of something you've pledged your support to when it's presented to you clear as day, I'm afraid that yes, you've lost touch with reason and reality.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol don't get mad at the morons that were led into becoming fodder/ common rabble for an insurrection!

Listen to yourself man.

No, you can get mad at them all you like, it is an important issue, and many people are very emotional about it. Getting angry will naturally be a part of the discussion. That said, I believe the debate should be over social welfare and public health policy.

Folks should be free to discuss moderate ideas without being lumped in with the most extreme takes.

I acknowledge that for some people, protests against restrictions are also about race, but for the majority it isn't.

tying moderates and extremists together just because you disagree with them is Disney movie levels of ambiguity.

flatting peoples motivations as to reify them is poor critical analysis.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

No, you can get mad at them all you like, it is an important issue, and many people are very emotional about it. Getting angry will naturally be a part of the discussion. That said, I believe the debate should be over social welfare and public health policy.

Folks should be free to discuss moderate ideas without being lumped in with the most extreme takes.

I acknowledge that for some people, protests against restrictions are also about race, but for the majority it isn't.

tying moderates and extremists together just because you disagree with them is Disney movie levels of ambiguity.

flatting peoples motivations as to reify them is poor critical analysis.

Free to discuss- no argument. I have had many rational discussions with respectable people about the need to end restrictions.

I don't know a single rational person in my life that supports / supported the protestors in the freedom convoy or offshoots. The conservatives I know (I know many) mostly want to stay 50 yards away from this mess, but some also see opportunity to wield the disenfranchised.

Supporting the convoy was not about ending restrictions.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Free to discuss- no argument. I have had many rational discussions with respectable people about the need to end restrictions.

I don't know a single rational person in my life that supports / supported the protestors in the freedom convoy or offshoots. The conservatives I know (I know many) mostly want to stay 50 yards away from this mess, but some also see opportunity to wield the disenfranchised.

Supporting the convoy was not about ending restrictions.

The convoy is about a lot of things. People need to understand and accept that human motivations are complex.

Saying that everyone who wants to end restrictions 'aren't rational' or ' are racists' is not helpful, insightful or remotely true.

A part of that complexity is of course the fact that some white nationalists want to end restrictions. Obviously them showing up to the same place is uncomfortable for a lot of folks who just want to go back to doing the things they love / work, and indeed many of these folks call them out on social media, and actively distance themselves from them. But they understandably aren't going to walk up and try to tell them to leave for fear of violence.


For the record I don't support trucker convoys or anti vax anti mask sentiments. Just the same I don't support over simplification and projection.