2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[Engine09]

Fort Saskatchewan, AB just outside of Edmonton.

She's a damn idiot, that speech is so off the mark and ridiculous. All of this is so damn humiliating. I wish these idiots would shut their mouths and stop embarrassing this country.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Aw man, I had no idea Evangeline Lily was an idiot.

A number of high profile actors are.

The sad part is people are inclined to believe them because of their status.

This is exactly why Ricky Gervais laying into them with his Golden Globes monologue was so on point.

Many of them fail to recognize the immense responsibility they possess with their ability to influence. And many are uneducated. So that's why he threw them over the coals in regards to them taking public stances on political or science related issues, in particular taking the opportunity of an award win to offer their stance on a larger issues they're not near qualified enough in to be speaking about in an attempt to add followers to their cause.

It's not their area of expertise and a 9th grader is probably better suited to offer up an educated stance on those matters in a lot of cases.

Ricky Gervais is a godsend.

[kn]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

That's a balanced panel !! Why didn't get get Kenney to call in?

I never claimed it was balanced, just the other side of the equation. That's kind of the whole point. There is no balance to any of this. Everyone is in their tribal bubble and views the other side as the enemy. Nothing coming out of this will improve things, regardless of which party is in power.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

A number of high profile actors are.

The sad part is people are inclined to believe them because of their status.

This is exactly why Ricky Gervais laying into them with his Golden Globes monologue was so on point.

Many of them fail to recognize the immense responsibility they possess with their ability to influence. And many are uneducated. So that's why he threw them over the coals in regards to them taking public stances on political or science related issues, in particular taking the opportunity of an award win to offer their stance on a larger issues they're not near qualified enough in to be speaking about in an attempt to add followers to their cause.

It's not their area of expertise and a 9th grader is probably better suited to offer up an educated stance on those matters in a lot of cases.

Ricky Gervais is a godsend.

I imagine every celebrity in the room thinking “he’s so right! But of course not about me”


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[Hackey]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

No! Bad Wasp/Elf/Kate.

Doctors and health professionals probably make up 1% of the convoy lady.

You forgot to add the white supremacists, neo-nazis, unemployed, uneducated, rural right wingers, world's worst parents and trump supporters.

She's from Saskatchewan so sadly it checks out.

SK - at least rural/small town Saskatchewan is heavily pro-convoy. Sadly have family and friends out there pushing the "they're all great, normal, educated people" angle.

I'm sure the vast majority are just regular decent people. But sure think what you want to keep telling yourself you're on the "right side'.

[Bagor]

That'll be an interesting gathering particularly if pot and spoon man manages to piss balcony guy off and he drops the F-bombs in front of the grannies.

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[ThatsWhatSheSaid]

Originally Posted by Macman

This whole ordeal has become very polarized from both sides. I've been listening to a bit of talk radio including CBC.

Like the far right extremists for example, they hitch on to every cause for attention basically, they were also part of the United whatever and the Yellow jacket protests. There was a guy on CBC yesterday talking about this and outlined the history of some of the people involved and it goes back quite a few years.

Roy Green had on former premiere of BC Ujjal Dosanjh who basically said that political leaders like our PM should try and be civil to all involved rather than use polarized language etc...

The point is there is a better balanced views/discussion out there, on talk radio anyways, you hear from people all across the country and many support the truckers but not the tactics or extremist elements.

This is not directed at you personally, but I've seen this narrative too often. It's this type of "both sides" argument from rational people, that has pushed me from passive to active on CP because I feel there must be a disconnect somewhere for reasonable people to say both "sides" of this situation are equally responsible.
I really want to understand where you are coming from. You say far right extremists hitch onto every cause - but do they actually? Are they out rallying for LGTBQ rights? Pipeline protests? Indigenous Rights? If they do show up, they are usually counter-protesting. Does the selection of which causes these guys show up for, not make people question the cause itself?

You are right in that there are many across the country who support the "truckers" because they simply don't understand this convoy is actually about white identity politics. These are not truckers. 90% of our truckers are busy doing their jobs and providing us essential services. The far right utilized the 10% of anti-vax truckers and co-opted it for themselves to advance their own agenda. They galvanized the 10% of our society who are frustrated with mandates/vaccines and need someone to blame. And they were willing to make their voices "heard" using any means.

Why should our PM or any of us treat "all involved" with civility and avoid polarized language, when in fact it's the issues and what these people represent that is polarizing? This isn't a partisan issue, it's what is right and wrong. One "side" has been given a lot of rope the past 2 years to present their views and arguments largely being unchecked, there is no longer any possibility of constructive discourse because they do not engage in good faith. The demands of the convoy have been a moving goal post because - surprise, surprise - it's not about mandates.

It says a lot about a person's integrity if they are willing to unite with morally reprehensible people for the sole purpose of being aligned on a singular cause. A cause that would have resolved itself by the way, regardless if they co-mingled with white nationalists or not. Something most of us were aware of long before they arrived in Ottawa and caused destruction to cities and put our country into economic turmoil. So (IMHO) I think it's fair that many opposing the convoy are well past the point of speaking "civilly" about them.
I'm ashamed that we have reached a point that my fellow Calgarians are out on family day weekend collecting offensive "make only white children" propaganda in the downtown core. One side may be using strong language condeming the other that has further inflamed the situation to a very small degree, but there only seems to be one side out there spewing vitriol, and harrassing/assaulting people just trying to exist in their lives.

Balanced views means examining both sides with a critical lens, it does not mean both sides are given the same level of respect after doing so.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

No! Bad Wasp/Elf/Kate.

Doctors and health professionals probably make up 1% of the convoy lady.

You forgot to add the white supremacists, neo-nazis, unemployed, uneducated, rural right wingers, world's worst parents and trump supporters.

She's from Saskatchewan so sadly it checks out.

SK - at least rural/small town Saskatchewan is heavily pro-convoy. Sadly have family and friends out there pushing the "they're all great, normal, educated people" angle.

First of all learn some geography.

Second, you know you can f off with all the SK hate, it's getting tiring. There's a ton of people here who are doing what is asked and just trying to get through this just like you are.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Situation:
Nobody is allowed on Sparks or Wellington at the moment. There was drone footage of a farm 100km outside of Ottawa with where there are 150 vehicles. A fair number of the trucks that left "willingly" to avoid being arrested just went to this farm. Many suspect they are just waiting until all the out-of-town police officers return home and then just come back and take up their positions in front of Parliament again. So they are blocking off the two streets in front of Parliament.

I went downtown tonight to help re-poster. The idea was to take down any hate posters and put up other posters.The one I was putting up was the one below. However, it looks like residents had already made quick work of the propaganda. I saw pictures of the ones that had been up. These people didn't know what they stood for. They had anti-Jewish posters with swastikas. And they were posting the Elon Musk tweet comparing Trudeau to Hitler. If you admire Hitler, and you compare Trudeau to Hitler, do you now admire Trudeau?

Walking away from parliament, I was not stopped once. Walking back to the train station, towards parliament, I was stopped by police 3 times asking where I was going.

All in all, it is very quiet downtown. Most businesses are still closed. It was a holiday here, I suspect many will re-open tomorrow. One Italian restaurant said they will open on Wednesday and they are offering free meals to:
Balcony Man
Pot and Ladle Guy
Blue Jacket Man
The Three Grannies (they are now selling T-shirts of the 3 Grannies blocking a truck)
Zexi

I told Zexi it would be really cool if the 7 of them went at the same time and had dinner together.

[calgarygeologist]

Sounds like it might be time to think about making the area around Parliament Hill a vehicle free zone for good.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Sounds like it might be time to think about making the area around Parliament Hill a vehicle free zone for good.

Why? It's a pretty big hill already.

[DevilsAdvocate]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Sounds like it might be time to think about making the area around Parliament Hill a vehicle free zone for good.

Already in the works. Councillor McKenney has a motion to table on Wednesday to do just that. I can tell you right now, I am voting for McKenney for mayor. A crayon would be a better mayor than Watson.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Already in the works. Councillor McKenney has a motion to table on Wednesday to do just that. I can tell you right now, I am voting for McKenney for mayor. A crayon would be a better mayor than Watson.

It has been a few years since I've been to Ottawa but I assume the most logical way would be shutting down traffic across the canal on the east and shutting down traffic from the west on that bridge which comes from Quebec onto Wellington. The south might be a bit more complicated.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Why? It's a pretty big hill already.

As someone that has experienced and seen the effects of many a car bomb/truck bomb I'm absolutely flabbergasted it's not given the high importance of many of the buildings there.

There were trucks parked right under the PM's office and many other offices of high importance not to mention directly outside the supreme court.

Maybe I'm being alarmist and this is Canada but those structures and their inhabitants are only one nutjob with a load of fertilizer away from significant damage. It's too easy.

No need to close water crossings. Just shut it down between Elgin and Kent.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by speede5

First of all learn some geography.

Second, you know you can f off with all the SK hate, it's getting tiring. There's a ton of people here who are doing what is asked and just trying to get through this just like you are.

Primarily I've lived in Red Deer for the past 15 years. The city has been a running joke on CP longer than I've been a member. I've been able to embrace the criticism and acknowledge the stereotype because I know anyone targetting my city either has their tongue firmly planted in cheek, or has an accurate interpretation of the stereotype this region has legitimately earned. It's not hate.

In other words, don't take it personally and develop a self-deprecating sense of humour.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Bagor

As someone that has experienced and seen the effects of many a car bomb/truck bomb I'm absolutely flabbergasted it's not given the high importance of many of the buildings there.

There were trucks parked right under the PM's office and many other offices of high importance not to mention directly outside the supreme court.


Maybe I'm being alarmist and this is Canada but those structures and their inhabitants are only one nutjob with a load of fertilizer away from significant damage. It's too easy.

No need to close water crossings. Just shut it down between Elgin and Kent.

It absolutely should be a car free zone . Only takes one nutter to car bomb that area. Have we all forgotten the nutter who RV bombed ATT in Nashville over the misinformation around 5g? I mean why take a chance when this convoy was funded by alot of right wing nutters from the states.

[combustiblefuel]

There was a van out in brooks landing today in Nanaimo with the fredumb message and demands. One demand was on no more "kill shots (referring to vaccines) and a statement saying peer reviewed and confirmed does not equal science facts. On his way out of the lot he blew 2 stop signs and a red light ... kinda shows me the level of "education" these people have.

I almost guarantee this van was from the errington and parksville area. That area is not great. Lots of white supprmissist groups and believes there . How do I know? My #### ass brother inlaw hangs out with people Like that AND there is tons of white power "underground" symbols on cars and trucks.

There's a huge presence of white nationalist here. People that have been here a long time where heavily influenced by the Ha here. They were very much embraced but this community and surrounding area until they club house got seized a few years back. The influence the HA had here was massive.

I actually know alot of people here that think that Nanaimos majour problems turned worse after the HA was tossed by the rcmp. From lawyers to baristas.

These are super common to see around town daily on vehicles in hard to see areas . The most common place according to a car mechanic friend is on the underside of the hood if there's none no where else. My #### ass brother inlaw had all 3 on the underside of his truck hood but luckily for him he had just bought the truck from some one else near and legitimately didn't know cuz he was on the bad side of a beat down if he had the truck for a while

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Sounds like it might be time to think about making the area around Parliament Hill a vehicle free zone for good.

Politician free would be a better idea

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Politician free would be a better idea

You strike me as an individual who votes for candidates that run on platforms of minimal government, so long as they have a job working in government.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Politician free would be a better idea

You don't strike me as a particularly bright individual that understand s anything in governments role.