Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Maybe we have to incentivize someone to take Monahan off our hands, that would mean trading Mangiapane as a sweetner?

I'd much rather lose Bread than Johnny and/or Tkachuk and Bread's value is soon to be at an all-time high.

Wouldn't need that much to add as a sweetener. If the Flames can sign both Tkachuk and Gaudreau to deals between 9-10m, and get rid on Monahan, you could still sign Mangiapane around 5 but then we are pretty much running Macky/Valimacky/Stone as our 5/6, Ruzika as our 3C, and another Richardson type 800k 4C.

I think they are able to sign both after the amount of success here and we move Mangi in the off season to recoup some assets and Tofolli takes his spot as the cheaper top 6 winger beside Backlund and Coleman.

[Macman]

It's like Tkachuk's value keeps going up with every game, another 3 point game last night.

Will be very interesting to see what he re-signs for, I hope the Flames will be able to do it.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Wouldn't need that much to add as a sweetener. If the Flames can sign both Tkachuk and Gaudreau to deals between 9-10m, and get rid on Monahan, you could still sign Mangiapane around 5 but then we are pretty much running Macky/Valimacky/Stone as our 5/6, Ruzika as our 3C, and another Richardson type 800k 4C.

I think they are able to sign both after the amount of success here and we move Mangi in the off season to recoup some assets and Tofolli takes his spot as the cheaper top 6 winger beside Backlund and Coleman.

That's not so bad, except for the fact the physical presence of Zadorov/Gudbranson would be horribly missed. If the Flames can find another goonish reclamation project for #5/6 defence, the Flames aren't really losing much. Ruzika looks ready now. The Flames should also find a spot for Pelletier and bring him in on an entry level contract.

The Flames are fortunate in that they have several prospects knocking on the door of being NHL ready, who aren't in that top tier that will demand all that much more than minimum on entry level.

[SuperMatt18]

We just need Monahan to have a good end of the season here and he will be moveable.

He's at 36 point pace right now, and realistically if that can get closer to 45 points he becomes moveable.

If he can get 24 points in the final 35 games to get to 45 points on the season then he's probably movable with a small sweetener in the offseason.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

We just need Monahan to have a good end of the season here and he will be moveable.

He's at 36 point pace right now, and realistically if that can get closer to 45 points he becomes moveable.

If he can get 24 points in the final 35 games to get to 45 points on the season then he's probably movable with a small sweetener in the offseason.

If he gets that production in the second half no sweetener needed because teams will believe the second half is more reflective of the player they are getting. I suppose retention may be necessary, but not max.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If he gets that production in the second half no sweetener needed because teams will believe the second half is more reflective of the player they are getting. I suppose retention may be necessary, but not max.

At that point the sweetener is less about the player, it will be more that teams will want something to help Calgary out of a salary cap jam.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

At that point the sweetener is less about the player, it will be more that teams will want something to help Calgary out of a salary cap jam.

The way things are going lately, I can see a potential Cup contender for next season trading for him at the draft and putting him on IR for the entire regular season, given his injury history and the long time it has taken him to recover from his most recent surgery. He'd be a great playoff add to boost the PP, especially after a full season of rest/rehab (come to think of it, it's worth the Flames considering doing this anyway, if they can convince the league that Monahan needs an extended period of time to recover after taking a beating again in the playoffs). The only question is how long it would take him to get up to game speed in the playoffs.

You are right, other teams might want the Flames to pay extra for taking a load off their cap, but in the end, what is most important is what a trade can do for them, and the Flames will take the best available offer.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

The way things are going lately, I can see a potential Cup contender for next season trading for him at the draft and putting him on IR for the entire regular season, given his injury history and the long time it has taken him to recover from his most recent surgery. He'd be a great playoff add to boost the PP, especially after a full season of rest/rehab (come to think of it, it's worth the Flames considering doing this anyway, if they can convince the league that Monahan needs an extended period of time to recover after taking a beating again in the playoffs). The only question is how long it would take him to get up to game speed in the playoffs.

You are right, other teams might want the Flames to pay extra for taking a load off their cap, but in the end, what is most important is what a trade can do for them, and the Flames will take the best available offer.

The Flames could do the same thing as you are talking about.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Wouldn't need that much to add as a sweetener. If the Flames can sign both Tkachuk and Gaudreau to deals between 9-10m, and get rid on Monahan, you could still sign Mangiapane around 5 but then we are pretty much running Macky/Valimacky/Stone as our 5/6, Ruzika as our 3C, and another Richardson type 800k 4C.

I think they are able to sign both after the amount of success here and we move Mangi in the off season to recoup some assets and Tofolli takes his spot as the cheaper top 6 winger beside Backlund and Coleman.

I get from the feeling from past seasons that Mangi's agent is going to play hardball again and I would rather go full speed ahead on giving Gaudreau and Tkachuk whatever they want to stay here and deal Mangi with Monahan to free up as much cap space as possible. I just see Monahan being a tough sell at his $6.375M salary while only being on pace for 37 points this year. Gaudreau is on pace for 110 points. As others have explained, Mangi is the incentive for them to take on that salary. Without Gaudreau, Monahan is quickly looking a lot like Cheechoo without Thornton.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

The way things are going lately, I can see a potential Cup contender for next season trading for him at the draft and putting him on IR for the entire regular season, given his injury history and the long time it has taken him to recover from his most recent surgery. He'd be a great playoff add to boost the PP, especially after a full season of rest/rehab (come to think of it, it's worth the Flames considering doing this anyway, if they can convince the league that Monahan needs an extended period of time to recover after taking a beating again in the playoffs). The only question is how long it would take him to get up to game speed in the playoffs.

You are right, other teams might want the Flames to pay extra for taking a load off their cap, but in the end, what is most important is what a trade can do for them, and the Flames will take the best available offer.

That's seems incredibly optimistic. You do that for a Kucherov, Eichel, or Stone. You don't do that for Monahan who has been declining for a long time.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I get from the feeling from past seasons that Mangi's agent is going to play hardball again and I would rather go full speed ahead on giving Gaudreau and Tkachuk whatever they want to stay here and deal Mangi with Monahan to free up as much cap space as possible. I just see Monahan being a tough sell at his $6.375M salary while only being on pace for 37 points this year. Gaudreau is on pace for 110 points. As others have explained, Mangi is the incentive for them to take on that salary. Without Gaudreau, Monahan is quickly looking a lot like Cheechoo without Thornton.

Depends on the ask from Mangiapane really. If he's expecting to get paid like a legit 65 point and 35 goal guy, it may not even be worth signing him. Great depth player, but he's already fallen off his own pace from earlier this year. Lots of guts, but he's also undersized. One of the main benefits to players like Mangiapane is that they are cost controlled. When he ceases to be cost controlled attitudes towards him will change.

If Monahan putting up 37 points from the third line at $6.375 is an immovable burden. I don't see how Mangiapane at 50 points from the 2nd line at a similar salary is irreplaceable.

[Snuffleupagus]

Gaudreau is trending to a 110+ point season and possibly even an Art Ross, Chucky is trending to a 90+ point season with maybe 40 goals. It's obvious they love playing with each other.

This is not the time for tough negotiations, Treliving needs to sit these guys down and get them signed together before it's too late.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

We just need Monahan to have a good end of the season here and he will be moveable.

He's at 36 point pace right now, and realistically if that can get closer to 45 points he becomes moveable.

If he can get 24 points in the final 35 games to get to 45 points on the season then he's probably movable with a small sweetener in the offseason.

24 points in 35 games is a 56 point pace, he's likely not getting close to that getting third line minutes.

Even at 45 points, with his cap hit, and with lots of points from the PP, it's likely going to call for more than a small sweetner.

[Monahammer]

Another day where both Dube and Monahan were great contributors in a flames win, and the usual suspects coming out to talk #### for no reason.

Y'all are pathetic.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

24 points in 35 games is a 56 point pace, he's likely not getting close to that getting third line minutes.

Even at 45 points, with his cap hit, and with lots of points from the PP, it's likely going to call for more than a small sweetner.

I think the chances improve with Toffoli on his line and hopefully Dube waking up.

I also think if this team can go on a deep enough run where Monahan is able to produce then he could be movable in the summer and saving some cap. I don’t see a team taking his full hit off our hands though

[cam_wmh]

Is Mangiapane Offer Sheet eligible? Has Treliving made any enemies of the other GM’s?

[Funkhouser]

I see us trading or buying out Monahan & trading Hanafin this off season to make it work.

Our D would take a hit, but we have two servicable D-men on cheap contracts that have room to develop (Valamaki and Mackey). Hanafin should get is a 1st at least.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Is Mangiapane Offer Sheet eligible? Has Treliving made any enemies of the other GM’s?

I would be totally fine with that. Anything in the range of $4-8 million would bring back 1st and 3rd round picks or more. You can't keep everyone in a salary capped league so for some players to stay, others will have to go.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Gaudreau is trending to a 110+ point season and possibly even an Art Ross, Chucky is trending to a 90+ point season with maybe 40 goals. It's obvious they love playing with each other.

This is not the time for tough negotiations, Treliving needs to sit these guys down and get them signed together before it's too late.

I really don't think it's up to him anymore. Gaudreau is looking at a scenario of multiple teams tripping over themselves to give him a massive payday, he has all the leverage right now. Why would he resign now when he just has to wait for a few more months for the bidding war to start?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would be totally fine with that. Anything in the range of $4-8 million would bring back 1st and 3rd round picks or more. You can't keep everyone in a salary capped league so for some players to stay, others will have to go.

Looking at his age and the way his numbers are trending, I'd say it would be a shame to lose him for 2 or 3 draft picks. I would hope the Flames either find a way to keep him long term, or make sure a quality young player comes to the Flames in any deal that involves him.