[News] Oilers fire Tippett. Jay Woodcroft to be named HC

[Yrebmi]

Edmonton is no good ##, Gut feeling, up and down like a toilet seat.

[Northendzone]

good thing the oilers fired mclellan as he is no good....same with drake.

look at both of their teams records

[McG]

I really don’t understand why mactavish is not coming to the bench to help woodhouse. After all, that’s exactly what they did the last time they called up their ahl coach.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by TheSquatch

I mean, Tippett's a really good coach, teams he's left have done worse. Tod McClellan had a great run in San Jose. They are both good coaches.

Look at the difference in buy-in here for Gaudreau this year, he's all over the puck not just playing offense, he's playing a very responsible game, and it's paying off for stats and wins. The Oilers top guys just refuse to do it.

I don't believe for a second Tippett was coaching McDavid to kind of drift around and not really do anything below the blue line. But waiting for the puck and streaking up ice got him into the NHL, so he wants to keep doing it. It's not working, and all the coaches they've had up there know it.

This is fantastic.

That's the narrative, but its not true based on the stats.

In GA/60 5 on 5 for players with over 500+ minutes, McDavid sits 62 out of 193 forwards.

That's not bad.

I guess you could criticize McDavid for not being an Art Ross and Selke finalist at the same time, but that's kind of a crazy criticism isn't it?

I feel like the fans/media that criticize guys like McDavid, or for the Flames, Iginla/Gaudreau/Tkachuk for the team's lack of success are people that either have a poor understanding of hockey or have an agenda.

[Plett25]

Oh, look who's back.

Only 1 post in this thread since December 2nd when the Oilers were 16-5. Somehow Oil Stain forgot about this thread while the Oilers went 7-13-3.

Now he shows up to argue that criticism of McDavid is only done by those with a poor understanding of hockey.

Oil Stain is a troll.

I know we all like to point and laugh at the stupidity of Oiler fans, but do we have to let the trolls post here? Can't we have our fun pointing and laughing at them after they're banned?

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Plett25

Oh, look who's back.

Only 1 post in this thread since December 2nd when the Oilers were 16-5. Somehow Oil Stain forgot about this thread while the Oilers went 7-13-3.

Now he shows up to argue that criticism of McDavid is only done by those with a poor understanding of hockey.

Oil Stain is a troll.

I know we all like to point and laugh at the stupidity of Oiler fans, but do we have to let the trolls post here? Can't we have our fun pointing and laughing at them after they're banned?

I'm sorry that you are so angry.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I'm sorry that you are so angry.

I'm sorry that your team sucks.

[Roof-Daddy]

McDavid is an offensive superstar.

A well rounded hockey player he is not.

He gets paid massive amounts of money to be a leader, and great on both sides of the puck. He 100% deserves criticism for being a weak link defensively.

The oilers have done this to themselves for well over a decade now. Give the youngsters the keys to the city, and tell everybody how great their team will be before they've accomplished anything, and give them a free pass when it comes to playing hockey the way it needs to be played in order to actually be a winner.

Then they scratch their heads in amazement when it all comes crashing down around them every year, fire a bunch of off ice staff, and proclaim that there must be something in the water.

[Njord]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

McDavid is an offensive superstar.

A well rounded hockey player he is not.

He gets paid massive amounts of money to be a leader, and great on both sides of the puck. He 100% deserves criticism for being a weak link defensively.

The oilers have done this to themselves for well over a decade now. Give the youngsters the keys to the city, and tell everybody how great their team will be before they've accomplished anything, and give them a free pass when it comes to playing hockey the way it needs to be played in order to actually be a winner.

Then they scratch their heads in amazement when it all comes crashing down around them every year, fire a bunch of off ice staff, and proclaim that there must be something in the water.

Also I don't think he's mature enough to be a captain. Being the best player on a team doesn't mean your a captain

[Heavy Jack]

I hate to break it to ya stainer but until the Oilers figure out this is a team game that requires 200 foot commitment ESPECIALLY from the top players then they are doomed to the fizzle outs when the goings get tough in their seasons.

I don’t know how fans of the Oilers can sit there and defend McDavid and blame the 6 coaches and counting. Tippett was supposed to be your Sutter, Hitchcock too but now that they haven’t worked out it’s back to baby face career AHL coach who’s gonna ‘fix’ this?? All the while the Oil faithful here like yourself only seem to come out from the darkness at the stars of seasons between October and the start of December or when a big event like a coach firing or player signing gives them refreshed misplaced hope that things must change for the better now that we’ve hired/fired coach X or brought in over-rated Y. It’s a vicious cycle that is stuck in repeat and as Flames fans here who call you out on your months long disappearing acts don’t mistake it for anger it’s more a predictable apathy towards Oilers fans who post here because they disappear when the going gets tough rather than shoulder it like other fans of teams here.

Diane_Phaneuf, Hockey, Blaster86 are all examples of Canucks fans here who don’t succumb to disappearing when their team fails and good on them for doing so because there isn’t a doubt in my mind that those types of posters have a lot more respect from CP flames posters.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's the narrative, but its not true based on the stats.

In GA/60 5 on 5 for players with over 500+ minutes, McDavid sits 62 out of 193 forwards.

That's not bad.

I guess you could criticize McDavid for not being an Art Ross and Selke finalist at the same time, but that's kind of a crazy criticism isn't it?

I feel like the fans/media that criticize guys like McDavid, or for the Flames, Iginla/Gaudreau/Tkachuk for the team's lack of success are people that either have a poor understanding of hockey or have an agenda.

And you don't think "the best player in the world" should have better stats than that?

One third of all the qualifying forwards are doing a better job. Considering 1) he is one of the fastest players on the planet, and 2) someone with his talent should have positive possession stats, and therefore an easier time of it with respect to having to defend, one would think he could do a little better than 62nd out of 193.

But hey, if mediocre is your bar for your superstar, I am not going to try and change your mind.

Also, no one is criticizing Gaudreau and Tkachuk. In fact, they are being lauded all over the media as the best line in the NHL. But they probably just have a poor understanding of hockey.

[GioforPM]

You can’t win a cup with a guy who takes up 1C minutes (and more than that in McDavid’s case) and have mediocre defensive stats. Look at cup winning centres: Bergeron, ROR, Kopitar, Crosby, Toews, Point - all very good to elite in their own zone. Look at Washington - nothing until Trotz came and made them play a team game.

[Blaster86]

Ugh, this is gonna make me feel sick...

Originally Posted by Plett25

Oil Stain is a troll.

No he isn't.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I'm sorry that you are so angry.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'm sorry that your team sucks.

No, I'm not

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's the narrative, but its not true based on the stats.

In GA/60 5 on 5 for players with over 500+ minutes, McDavid sits 62 out of 193 forwards.

That's not bad.

I guess you could criticize McDavid for not being an Art Ross and Selke finalist at the same time, but that's kind of a crazy criticism isn't it?

I feel like the fans/media that criticize guys like McDavid, or for the Flames, Iginla/Gaudreau/Tkachuk for the team's lack of success are people that either have a poor understanding of hockey or have an agenda.

That, is not the best player in the league let alone in the world.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's the narrative, but its not true based on the stats.

In GA/60 5 on 5 for players with over 500+ minutes, McDavid sits 62 out of 193 forwards.

That's not bad.

I guess you could criticize McDavid for not being an Art Ross and Selke finalist at the same time, but that's kind of a crazy criticism isn't it?

I feel like the fans/media that criticize guys like McDavid, or for the Flames, Iginla/Gaudreau/Tkachuk for the team's lack of success are people that either have a poor understanding of hockey or have an agenda.

Ordinarily I won't feed a troll, but there was a great example of just what I'm talking about. It's not "narrative", it's obvious to anyone with eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB3-4CJMuTI

Watch from about 6:10 on here, this is dead typical McDavid own-zone play. He doesn't skate hard enough to catch Karlsson (71) who drives play into the corner chasing the dump in. He drifts off and makes... lazy incidental contact with McNabb (3) who has already gotten the puck back to Karlsson who gets it to Smith (19) for the goal. McDavid does nothing. No effort to keep up, no effort to contain the puck, no effort to stick with any player - no defensive awareness or care at all. And this is off the face-off - he's fresh. It's hilarious.

Never his fault though, I get hit, he's the greatest. I hope like hell the narrative in Edmonton stays like this and he's never held accountable for the plays he fails to make, the effort he doesn't put in, the things he refuses to learn or adjust to. Because as long as that doesn't happen, Edmonton will not win, and that's just fine with me.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's the narrative, but its not true based on the stats.

In GA/60 5 on 5 for players with over 500+ minutes, McDavid sits 62 out of 193 forwards.

That's not bad.

I guess you could criticize McDavid for not being an Art Ross and Selke finalist at the same time, but that's kind of a crazy criticism isn't it?

I feel like the fans/media that criticize guys like McDavid, or for the Flames, Iginla/Gaudreau/Tkachuk for the team's lack of success are people that either have a poor understanding of hockey or have an agenda.

Great point. McDavid is also now 55th in the league at ESP/60.
62nd at defense, 55th at offense... Sounds like your run of the mill middle 6 player.

[FireGilbert]

One thing I picked up reading this thread is that Woodcroft is bringing in a drastically different forecheck and defensive system like he used at Bakersfield. Now I'm no expert on managing an NHL franchise but isn't it a good idea to have your NHL team and AHL team playing similar systems?

[WCW Nitro]

All making fun of the Oilers aside, I think it's kind of sad that in order to win you need to play great defence. I wish one day a team can win by relying on offense mostly