[GDT] Flames vs Golden Knights, 7:30 PM, MST. Sportsnet 360, Fan 960

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, let's see what happens lol.

Your theory is that the league is going to overrule 31 owners to give special treatment to one, because reasons, and that that one team is going to put a player on LTIR for no medical reason, because they want cap room, and they will announce in advance that they are keeping him on LTIR until the last day of the regular season, when LTIR doesn't even work that way. OK, then.

Remember when the New Jersey Devils were fined $1.5 million and removed from the draft lottery (their first-round pick moved to the last pick in the round) for cap circumvention? Clear proof that the cap has no meaning and any team can get away with whatever it wants. Sure.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Your theory is that the league is going to overrule 31 owners to give special treatment to one, because reasons, and that that one team is going to put a player on LTIR for no medical reason, because they want cap room, and they will announce in advance that they are keeping him on LTIR until the last day of the regular season, when LTIR doesn't even work that way. OK, then.

Remember when the New Jersey Devils were fined $1.5 million and removed from the draft lottery (their first-round pick moved to the last pick in the round) for cap circumvention? Clear proof that the cap has no meaning and any team can get away with whatever it wants. Sure.

Well for the most part teams did get away with it. NJD was the one team where they put a stop to it. That's why they followed it up with a max term of 8 years per signing.

Weber, and Keith are still playing on their cap-circumvention contracts. Then you had the likes of Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen, Mike Richards, and the list goes on.

My point is that the league does see it as an issue, but it is also slow to act. There are teams that would get preferential treatment. The likes of Tampa, Vegas, Detroit, and Chicago. Eventually someone will get fined for the cap circumvention, just don't expect it to be any of the big US teams.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Well for the most part teams did get away with it. NJD was the one team where they put a stop to it. That's why they followed it up with a max term of 8 years per signing.

Weber, and Keith are still playing on their cap-circumvention contracts. Then you had the likes of Zetterberg, Hossa, Franzen, Mike Richards, and the list goes on.

When the league closed that loophole, they imposed the recapture penalty on those contracts. Have you seen how much money Nashville is on the hook for if Weber retires?

More to the point, those contracts were legal within the letter of the CBA at the time. It took a new CBA to close the loophole. What dissentowner thinks Vegas is doing is not within the letter of the CBA, but is a blatant violation of the rules as presently written. Maybe Stone will go on LTIR, but he has to have a medical reason, and that reason has to remain valid as long as he stays there. It's not going to happen just because the Golden Knights want to be above the rules.

My point is that the league does see it as an issue, but it is also slow to act. There are teams that would get preferential treatment. The likes of Tampa, Vegas, Detroit, and Chicago. Eventually someone will get fined for the cap circumvention, just don't expect it to be any of the big US teams.

What makes Tampa or Vegas bigger than New Jersey? Nothing.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

When the league closed that loophole, they imposed the recapture penalty on those contracts. Have you seen how much money Nashville is on the hook for if Weber retires?

More to the point, those contracts were legal within the letter of the CBA at the time. It took a new CBA to close the loophole. What dissentowner thinks Vegas is doing is not within the letter of the CBA, but is a blatant violation of the rules as presently written. Maybe Stone will go on LTIR, but he has to have a medical reason, and that reason has to remain valid as long as he stays there. It's not going to happen just because the Golden Knights want to be above the rules.



What makes Tampa or Vegas bigger than New Jersey? Nothing.

Well I think both Tampa and Vegas have the potential at generating new generations of fans unlike NJD. I think it's kind of a situation like Pitsburgh where success is creating and rebuilding a fan-base.

As far as the recapture penalties. Yes, I'm aware of them, but I don't think Weber will retire even if he can't play. He can stay on LTIR indefinitely. That way he doesn't have to walk away from any money. It's been done over and over before.

EDIT: Wrong GDT for this lol
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