Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[SebC]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I don't think either of these guys, particularly Gaudreau, would run their contract down this close to the end if they hadn't already decided to leave. Either one of them could get a career-ending injury at any time, and the Flames certainly aren't going to give them an extra cent once their contracts are off the books just because they're injured.

We should be actively engaging with Gaudreau's agent to find out where he would like to be traded and what we can get back in return.

Testing the limits of your powers?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I don't think either of these guys, particularly Gaudreau, would run their contract down this close to the end if they hadn't already decided to leave. Either one of them could get a career-ending injury at any time, and the Flames certainly aren't going to give them an extra cent once their contracts are off the books just because they're injured.

We should be actively engaging with Gaudreau's agent to find out where he would like to be traded and what we can get back in return.

He likely has his own insurance against injury this year.

And if he says he doesn’t want to be traded?

In any event, the aflame s aren’t trading him when they are a contending team.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by SebC

Testing the limits of your powers?

I'm just a realist. I don't understand the optimism of most of the people on this message board. The Flames are currently sixteenth overall in the standings in a thirty-two team league, and on pace to get 101.5 points. A small losing skid could easily see us out of the playoff picture. I'm not impressed at all with our asset management skills, as we seem to constantly wind up with bloated contracts that we're unable to move, or let players walk for nothing when they won't re-sign.

The Flames should be honest with their fans, and if we're not going to be able to re-sign our star players, move them on for picks and prospects. The last time a Canadian franchise won the Stanley Cup was 1993, and if we're being honest with ourselves, small market Canadian teams are basically developmental squads for the big American markets. We need to box smarter. I think most people on here are just hoping we make the playoffs and our goalie gets hot at the right time. Where has that strategy gotten us for the last thirty-two years? Nowhere.

[Wish They Could Win]

I am not sure why there is the rush to address either of these contracts in season given the Flames’ record.

From the players’ perspective, they will want to prove that they are worth the dollars and term that they are seeking. From the Flames’ perspective, they likely don’t want to commit big dollars long term until they are sure that these players can finish the season strong including doing damage in the playoffs. The last thing they want is to commit to this core now and then have them fold like cheap tents in the playoffs.

So from both sides, I think it makes the most sense to just wait until the season ends, especially given their likelihood to make the playoffs and the trajectory that both players are on this year. Yes, it might be expensive, but it will be worth it long term if this year is an indication of what we will see from both of them moving forward.

My gut says that both of them sign long term deals with the Flames this off-season.


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[garenflames]

I think the flames have a good chance to sign Tkachuck long term after this season. I understand that he can take the 9 million then walk to free agency, but after a career best season and possibly the best he will ever have, he would be dumb not to cash in for 8 years.

The worst case scenario for him would be Jonny walking away and him taking the one year 9mill deal. There is almost zero chance he would be a PPG player without Jonny and therefore his value would decrease significantly in that one year without him. If I am him I am taking an 8 year deal and cashing in.

[Wish They Could Win]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm just a realist. I don't understand the optimism of most of the people on this message board. The Flames are currently sixteenth overall in the standings in a thirty-two team league, and on pace to get 101.5 points. A small losing skid could easily see us out of the playoff picture. I'm not impressed at all with our asset management skills, as we seem to constantly wind up with bloated contracts that we're unable to move, or let players walk for nothing when they won't re-sign.

The Flames should be honest with their fans, and if we're not going to be able to re-sign our star players, move them on for picks and prospects. The last time a Canadian franchise won the Stanley Cup was 1993, and if we're being honest with ourselves, small market Canadian teams are basically developmental squads for the big American markets. We need to box smarter. I think most people on here are just hoping we make the playoffs and our goalie gets hot at the right time. Where has that strategy gotten us for the last thirty-two years? Nowhere.

But we don’t know what the likelihood of them re-signing is, only the Flames’ management does. Maybe there has been an indication that they want to stay but both sides have agreed that the final dollars and term can’t be agreed upon until after the season plays out. I can’t see why either player would agree to some sort of discount based on past seasons when this season they are crushing it. Also, the Flames aren’t going to pay a huge price tag on the assumption that the back half of the season will mimic the first half.


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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm just a realist. I don't understand the optimism of most of the people on this message board. The Flames are currently sixteenth overall in the standings in a thirty-two team league, and on pace to get 101.5 points. A small losing skid could easily see us out of the playoff picture. I'm not impressed at all with our asset management skills, as we seem to constantly wind up with bloated contracts that we're unable to move, or let players walk for nothing when they won't re-sign.

The Flames should be honest with their fans, and if we're not going to be able to re-sign our star players, move them on for picks and prospects. The last time a Canadian franchise won the Stanley Cup was 1993, and if we're being honest with ourselves, small market Canadian teams are basically developmental squads for the big American markets. We need to box smarter. I think most people on here are just hoping we make the playoffs and our goalie gets hot at the right time. Where has that strategy gotten us for the last thirty-two years? Nowhere.

Ignoring the rest of your blather..

The last time the NHL played 82 games, there were exactly 6 teams that finished with 101 or more pts for the season.

But you be you boo....negativity is the way to go for your type. Fill your boots.

The rest of us who aren't "real" will just enjoy the roller coaster that a regular NHL schedule provides.

[Heavy Jack]

I can’t understand how someone sees this roster as a roster trying to just get in and ride a hot goalie at just the right time. 9 shutouts isn’t a goalie stat, it’s a team stat… this team is absolutely dominating and the only aspect that lends to some worry is their failure to comeback when trailing after the 1st and 2nd… until recently when they showed they could do that too. A big reason why they struggled is because this team is RARELY trailing in a game and RARELY give up the first goal. They dominate possession high danger chances they have a great PP and PK, they are incredible on the road… I could go on and on about why this team isn’t like those teams of the past thirty some odd years. If you can’t see after all this time the difference in the hockey that is being played by this years Flames then I don’t know what to tell you…if there ever was a Flames team to toss another top 6 forward into the mix it’s this team and we actually have the deadline cap space to make it happen. Sit back and enjoy the hockey!!! It’s been incredible and this team is just getting started!

[Flames_F.T.W]

Prior to this season I never would have considered Johnny as someone who was next in line for the "C", but after watching his compete level this year, complete 200ft game and the way Sutter and Tre have talked about him, I'm not sure I would be surprised if he was the next captain, assuming he wanted to re-sign.

[GreenLantern2814]

I can only speak for myself- the team this year is good. Really good. The best they’ve looked since the first half of 2018.

It has some fundamental issues with roster construction, like it always does.

The best player and offensive catalyst is UFA in 5 months, and Tkachuk is UFA in 17 months.

If they can keep both, great. Fight the good fight.

If they can’t, Elias Lindholm will be the only 1st line player in the entire organization, and there’s no point fooling ourselves that anything of note could be accomplished with a first line of Lindholm, Mangiapane and some UFA/trade.

Someone, please enlighten me - how does this team compete with no Johnny and no Tkachuk.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Someone, please enlighten me - how does this team compete with no Johnny and no Tkachuk.

Has anyone argued that the team would compete with no Johnny/Tkahcuk?
Anyone?
Who are you arguing with?

[442scotty]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Which is of course against the rules.

Then we have to do better. Hire Johnnys dad as an assistant GM, find a position for mom, brother and sis then fly them all to Calgary on the CNR private jet.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I'm just a realist. I don't understand the optimism of most of the people on this message board. The Flames are currently sixteenth overall in the standings in a thirty-two team league, and on pace to get 101.5 points. A small losing skid could easily see us out of the playoff picture. I'm not impressed at all with our asset management skills, as we seem to constantly wind up with bloated contracts that we're unable to move, or let players walk for nothing when they won't re-sign.

The Flames should be honest with their fans, and if we're not going to be able to re-sign our star players, move them on for picks and prospects. The last time a Canadian franchise won the Stanley Cup was 1993, and if we're being honest with ourselves, small market Canadian teams are basically developmental squads for the big American markets. We need to box smarter. I think most people on here are just hoping we make the playoffs and our goalie gets hot at the right time. Where has that strategy gotten us for the last thirty-two years? Nowhere.

Games played and road games played...they are tied for the division lead in points percentage

Besides 2nd in the Pacific is probably the best playoff spot in the entire league

They are not 17th

[powderjunkie]

Actually tied for 13th in league pt%.

The path out of the PAC is easiest in the league. COL is scary if they finally make the CFs, but MIN/NAS/STL aren't necessarily.

A Cinderella run is definitely possible (and really the best thing we can hope for in the next 5-7 years).

[Macho0978]

Tampa is probably still the team to beat but after them I'd say most of the true contenders are in the East.

Other than Tampa or Colorado I think they Flames could beat most of the best teams. Not favored to win but close enough that they could beat most teams. Add a good top 6 winger and definitely have a chance to beat most teams and if we finish top 3 in the division shouldn't have to play Colorado until the conference finals and Tampa to the finals.

This could be a good year to get at least to the 2nd round and that could help with Johnny and Tkachuk contract talks. If they value winning with the team they grow up playing with they could stay with a bit of a run.

Tkachuk last year seemed off, maybe he just hated losing that much?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Then we have to do better. Hire Johnnys dad as an assistant GM, find a position for mom, brother and sis then fly them all to Calgary on the CNR private jet.

Better?

Hiring unqualified people are above FMV wages would be just complete stupidity on behalf of the Flames, as it’s also cap circumvention.

And I doubt Murray Edwards would use the assets of a public company for personal reasons.

[442scotty]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Better?

Hiring unqualified people are above FMV wages would be just complete stupidity on behalf of the Flames, as it’s also cap circumvention.

And I doubt Murray Edwards would use the assets of a public company for personal reasons.

I’m not serious lol

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I’m not serious lol

Where you serious the first time you suggested this line of reasoning?

[442scotty]

About Johnny being paid to do advertising for CNR? Sure. I guess that’s a conflict. Philly hiring Johnnys dad should be tampering lol

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

About Johnny being paid to do advertising for CNR? Sure. I guess that’s a conflict. Philly hiring Johnnys dad should be tampering lol

Not only a conflict but more importantly if making deals like that were actually a thing, you wouldn't want it to be a thing as a Flames fan. There'd be so many richer, bigger markets making such better use of such deals.

You presented it like the Flames would be the first and only, lol.