2021 NFL Season

[Strange Brew]

Elway coming back pretty hard on Flores claim that he "obviously had been out drinking the night before" his interview.

I kind of felt like it was an unnecessary addition to a series of very serious accusations. He has no idea what those guys were doing the night before and to make such a claim, IMO it cheapens a little the other serious issues he is raising.

[Yoho]

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Former Eagles’ HC Doug Pederson is being hired as the next head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, source tells ESPN.


Adam Schefter, ESPN Senior Writer

[Senator Clay Davis]

Surprised the Vikings passed on Harbaugh. Yeah he's a baby and yeah he wears out his welcome pretty quick, but what he did with the Niners was great. I'd rather take a chance on him with more control than Kevin O'Connell

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Surprised the Vikings passed on Harbaugh. Yeah he's a baby and yeah he wears out his welcome pretty quick, but what he did with the Niners was great. I'd rather take a chance on him with more control than Kevin O'Connell

I thought Harbaugh passed on them?

[devo22]

with the Jags passing on Leftwich, there's a good chance Tomlin is going to be the only black HC in the league next season. Fully expect the Texans to roll with McCown (because of course), so the only other option are the Saints (who are going to interview Bieniemy).

not a good look at all for the league amidst the Flores lawsuit.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Surprised the Vikings passed on Harbaugh. Yeah he's a baby and yeah he wears out his welcome pretty quick, but what he did with the Niners was great. I'd rather take a chance on him with more control than Kevin O'Connell

It's also money. He wants $8+ million a season long term.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by devo22

with the Jags passing on Leftwich, there's a good chance Tomlin is going to be the only black HC in the league next season. Fully expect the Texans to roll with McCown (because of course), so the only other option are the Saints (who are going to interview Bieniemy).

not a good look at all for the league amidst the Flores lawsuit.

Really though what top candidates happened to be black? Leftwich is in the same predicament than Kellen Moore in that he simply hasn't coached long enough. Same with Jerod Mayo. All the other black candidates for the most part were retreads that didn't fare well in their last stops and Bieniemy may never get a head coach job. I can't fault any owner for hiring what was deemed the best coach of their interviews regardless of color.

Originally Posted by Weitz

I thought Harbaugh passed on them?

Both parties agreed that it wasn't going to work out as Harbaugh wants too much money and control. It's why the Raiders passed on him after initial interest.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Leftwich is in the same predicament than Kellen Moore in that he simply hasn't coached long enough. Same with Jerod Mayo.

not that I disagree with that, but that argument crumbles completely once Josh McCown gets his gig. And even if he doesn't, he's still a finalist for the job without any coaching experience at any level. Leftwich has worked in the NFL since 2017.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by devo22

not that I disagree with that, but that argument crumbles completely once Josh McCown gets his gig. And even if he doesn't, he's still a finalist for the job without any coaching experience at any level. Leftwich has worked in the NFL since 2017.

Look at the owner though and look what they just did to their last coach. If McCown is hired he's essentially taking one for the team. I feel Leftwich is far better off not having his first job in Houston or Jacksonville which are two of the worst run organizations in the NFL. We were just discussing above Dennis Allen not getting a 2nd chance as it's extremely difficult to shake a poor first coaching tenure.

[devo22]

I get it. In a nutshell, I think Pederson is a good fit for the Jags too. Just broadly speaking though, there's 32 jobs and there's just no way that only one black coach is among the 32 best coaches. And I don't think it's right to find excuses for owners or argue that it's actually better for black coaches to miss out.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's also money. He wants $8+ million a season long term.

I mean if Matt Rhule can get $9 million per....yeah I'd still rather take my chances with Harbaugh, worst case is you bottom out for the next guy, best case is what the 49ers got.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I mean if Matt Rhule can get $9 million per....yeah I'd still rather take my chances with Harbaugh, worst case is you bottom out for the next guy, best case is what the 49ers got.

Harbaugh even admits it was the Vikings that decided it wasn't going to work. I don't know what vibe he's giving off or what he's asking for but he's going to have to lighten up his demands a bit if he wants to coach in the NFL again. He says it's the last time he will look at the NFL but it's going to be year to year until an NFL owner comes calling.

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by devo22

I get it. In a nutshell, I think Pederson is a good fit for the Jags too. Just broadly speaking though, there's 32 jobs and there's just no way that only one black coach is among the 32 best coaches. And I don't think it's right to find excuses for owners or argue that it's actually better for black coaches to miss out.

Where did I make excuses for any owners. They are going to do what they want right or wrong. The reason Tomlin is the one of the longest tenured head coaches isn't because he's black. It's because he's a good head coach and got a job with a stable organization. Leftwich may turn into a top level head coach one day but if he takes the Jags job he could be one and done and we will never know how good of a head coach he could have been. I don't feel bad for him not getting that job as he will get a far better opportunity in the coming years. Look at the list of Jaguars head coaches. You have to go back to JDR for the last one that got another gig. The rest of them will ever get work again as a head coach.

[devo22]

not saying you did personally, but you brought up the argument of some that Leftwich and Mayo haven't coached long enough. I think this argument is just another excuse for owners to look the other way. Leftwich has had a coordinator job in the NFL much longer than Tomlin ever did.

who knows, maybe some of those black coaches are really dodging a bullet here. Just think it all adds fuel to the Flores thing when chances for black coaches to become a HC in the league are seemingly getting slimmer every year.

[ResAlien]

Since we’re trafficking in rumour as fact it is relatively accepted that the reason Leftwich isn’t the coach right now is because Shad insisted on keeping Baalke.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Really though what top candidates happened to be black? Leftwich is in the same predicament than Kellen Moore in that he simply hasn't coached long enough. Same with Jerod Mayo. All the other black candidates for the most part were retreads that didn't fare well in their last stops and Bieniemy may never get a head coach job. I can't fault any owner for hiring what was deemed the best coach of their interviews regardless of color.



Both parties agreed that it wasn't going to work out as Harbaugh wants too much money and control. It's why the Raiders passed on him after initial interest.

That's one of Flores' points. Even the coordinator positions usually go to white coaches. If the black coaches aren't given a chance at coordinator and QB jobs then you won't really see them rise up as candidates.

1 black head coach
4 black offensive coordinators
11 black defensive coordinators
8 special teams coordinators
3 QB coaches
6 GMs

33 out of 192 positions, about 18%.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

That's one of Flores' points. Even the coordinator positions usually go to white coaches. If the black coaches aren't given a chance at coordinator and QB jobs then you won't really see them rise up as candidates.

1 black head coach
4 black offensive coordinators
11 black defensive coordinators
8 special teams coordinators
3 QB coaches
6 GMs

33 out of 192 positions, about 18%.

Yes but this illustrates that change needs to be made from the bottom up in hiring practices of NFL general staff. Minorities need more opportunity to get into coaching and I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Those numbers also proves that if you are hiring a head coach today, the majority of top candidates will be white because of the lack of minority coordinators. I really hope that minorities are given more opportunity to get into the coaching ranks but I do also believe when it comes to hiring a head coach a GM or owner should not have to take skin color into consideration. If an owner is passing on black coaches because of race then shame on them but if he legit thinks a white candidate is best for the job he should be able to hire that man without their motives being questioned.

[SuperMatt18]

The only argument I'd make is you'd need to pull those same numbers for NCAA Division 1 as well.

Either way you slice it, it is a a problem, and it's not going to get better until you see more minorities as coaches/coordinators at all levels of high end football.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If an owner is passing on black coaches because of race then shame on them but if he legit thinks a white candidate is best for the job he should be able to hire that man without their motives being questioned.

It's not that the owners are necessarily explicitly racist (except Cal McNair), but that there's systemic discrimination as a result of the OBC in the NFL. There was a dude on either ESPN or NFL Network that was a big math nerd and he stated that random chance would generate far more black coaches in the NFL than we've seen.

I'm definitely not doing a good job of explaining it, so I'll try to dig up the video.