2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Then be glad we didn't trade Andersson because he almost certainly would have been in any deal for Eichel.

I would have easily included Anderson in an Eichel deal.

Franchise C >> top pairing D

[Vinny01]

Does Monahan+1st or Monahan+Zary+2nd for Schiefele work?

Winnipeg could be facing a crossroads and it is a change of scenery deal for both. Winnipeg has one less year of term with Monahan and get the picks/prospects. Calgary takes a run and hopes that Schiefele can rebound. He has 2 years left on his deal and the money is similar.

I doubt Winnipeg makes the deal in season but they could be facing a summer of change and need to pay PLD

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would have easily included Anderson in an Eichel deal.

Franchise C >> top pairing D

I would have, too (and included him in the theoretical trade proposals in those threads).

But there is a limit to how many young assets to include given the health risk. Even in the best case scenario where Eichel returns to top form, it may have become impossible to sustain any level of success with a complete bare cupboard (to plug the gaping hole at RHD or provide good value on cheap AAVs)

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Does Monahan+1st or Monahan+Zary+2nd for Schiefele work?
I doubt Winnipeg makes the deal in season but they could be facing a summer of change and need to pay PLD

Does Schiefle suck now? I feel Monahan + 1st/Zary is such a no brainer for the Flames, the Jets would laugh


https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...tml#long-story


Hmm stats wise he looks fine but maybe it is time for a change for him. Kind of gives me Jokinen PTSD though lol

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Does Schiefle suck now? I feel Monahan + 1st/Zary is such a no brainer for the Flames, the Jets would laugh


https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/sp...tml#long-story


Hmm stats wise he looks fine but maybe it is time for a change for him. Kind of gives me Jokinen PTSD though lol

One of my employees works in Winnipeg and he said that Schiefele is a shell of his former self this season and taking heat from the fans (edit: I see that is the headline of the article you linked). I am not sure if it stems from his suspension in the playoffs last year or what but I wonder out loud if he and Monahan could be part of a change of scenery type deal with the Flames kicking in futures.

Probably a huge stretch but if the Jets continue to fall out of it I see a few players on their roster I would welcome here. Lowry, and Copp or someone like Schiefele. I assume Dubois, and Connor would be their untouchable veterans who they are building around along with Perfetti

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

For the trillionth time [to you and others] - it's not about what we think, it's about what BUF thought.


We can say whatever we want about Tuch's numbers, but we should also acknowledge that he was a little bit buried in VGK, typically playing on the 3rd line for the last two seasons with guys like Glass, Roy, Nosek, and Carrier. And still put up 16EVG / 29EVP in 55gp.

And he's 6'4 220ish lbs.

BUF may have been irrationally keen on him, but so far so good.


Same deal with Krebs...I don't have a strong opinion on him, but he's from the same draft as Dach, Turcotte, Cozens, Newhook, McMichael, Tomasino, (Pelletier)...lots of highly regarded C prospects that haven't done much of anything yet. Zegras and Hughes have only just emerged from this season.

Whether they are right or not doesn't matter, BUF may have felt that Krebs has a ton more upside than Pelletier/Zary and fits into what they want to build.

For the 2nd time... my only thought on the matter is that opinion of our prospects was pessimistic.


I didn't even comment on the Eichel trade as it's over and in the past.

[Skyceman]

Anyone else wonder if moving Monahan makes it harder to extend Gaudreau?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Yikes. That's a pretty pessimistic view of our prospects.

Personally I think it is optimistic.

Valimaki is unlikely today to be an NHL regular.
Zary's offensive production in the AHL is uninspiring.
Pelletier has always looked like a 3rd liner at best in NHL.
and Coronato... well differing opinions around here but I personally don't see it. I think 2nd line upside max. (generous IMO)

Wolf is the best of the bunch and even he's a lottery ticket.

[Sandman]

Mike McKenna of Daily Faceoff suggests Giroux as a target of the Flames.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t see it the way you do

I see a guy who in his 5th season has already missed large chunks of 2 of those seasons to injury

1 season over 20 goals and 50pts.

He is signed to a fair deal but not sure it is the steal you are painting it to be. Do Buffalo fans care that a guy is from NY or do they want the best player?

He definitely has value but I think you overestimate how valuable he is. He was the best contract Vegas could throw in to the deal.

It is going to be like Sam Bennett around here with Eichel. The guys who didn’t want him or think no matter what the Flames could do know wrong will point it out sarcastically if he struggles and others who can’t let it go will post every time he has a multi point night. I hope it doesn’t go that way but I can easily see it

Past injuries are irrelevant, unless they have a lasting effect on the player.

Fans WAY over-estimate the whole 'injury prone' thing. Very few players are actually injury probe. Injuries are random, and two past injury riddled seasons does not mean more injury riddled seasons. I mean, look at Tanev - he is as 'injury prone' as you're going to find, and he has been healthy for a year and a half now (please God, don't let this be a jinx)

When assessing a player, the question is: what can they bring to the table, and is their contract reasonable value for those skills. Saying 'yeah but he has had a couple injuries, is a great way to miss out on a good player.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Mike McKenna of Daily Faceoff suggests Giroux as a target of the Flames.

Sign me up for Giroux. Would be such a good get, if we can make it work. Only thing is from everything that has been said, Giroux will get to decide where he wants to go.

[Roof-Daddy]

Love Giroux the player and what he brings, and I do believe this team should try to add, but a high priced rental like that makes me cringe so hard.

I admit, the pessimist in me wins out more often than not, and the stark reality is that rentals rarely make the difference that teams are hoping for when they trade valuable futures for them.

I picture this team making a trade like that, not winning the cup, not having a 1st round pick (plus other futures that they gave up), no Giroux as he walks in free agency, and no Johnny either.

Whether you want to admit it or not that is most likely the scenario that plays out IMO.

But then the teeny tiny little optimist in me says #### it, if Giroux will waive to come to the Flames, then go for it.

[wired]

I think the Flames will try very hard to sign Matty and Johnny. If they cannot, they will be forced to trade them, what they get for the trade would be interesting.

I don't think they make any significant moves until their contract situations are solved.

My opinion of course.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by wired

I think the Flames will try very hard to sign Matty and Johnny. If they cannot, they will be forced to trade them, what they get for the trade would be interesting.

I don't think they make any significant moves until their contract situations are solved.

My opinion of course.

Forced to trade Johnny this year?

Not going to happen.

Tkachuk contract will not even be discussed until the off-season.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Past injuries are irrelevant, unless they have a lasting effect on the player.

Fans WAY over-estimate the whole 'injury prone' thing. Very few players are actually injury probe. Injuries are random, and two past injury riddled seasons does not mean more injury riddled seasons. I mean, look at Tanev - he is as 'injury prone' as you're going to find, and he has been healthy for a year and a half now (please God, don't let this be a jinx)

When assessing a player, the question is: what can they bring to the table, and is their contract reasonable value for those skills. Saying 'yeah but he has had a couple injuries, is a great way to miss out on a good player.

I didn’t say Tuch was a bad player I just pointed out that Gio4PM was overrating him in my opinion.

Maybe Brad can use your sales pitch to find a taker for Monahan?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

For the 2nd time... my only thought on the matter is that opinion of our prospects was pessimistic.


I didn't even comment on the Eichel trade as it's over and in the past.

I'm just giving the context to Jiri's post for everyone who is freaking out that it's his personal assessment. It's pessimistic, but plausible. Even if BUF were high on all of our top prospects except Zary, then they would probably have still leaned towards the Krebs deal because he's a C.

[Sandman]

Apparently, Friedman said he thinks that Anaheim will most likely trade Rakell out of their list of upcoming free agents....

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

How are we still speculating packages for Eichel months after the trade?

Yeah at least we could do is wait till he knocks us out of the playoffs

[Heavy Jack]

If I’m Eichel I’m actually nervous to go into the corners or through the middle against a team like Calgary with a coach like Sutter, especially as the playoff hockey atmosphere starts to turn up. Not sure how much punishment he can take from Lucic, Zad and Gudbranson, if I’m Vegas I don’t want to see Calgary in the first round.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

If I’m Eichel I’m actually nervous to go into the corners or through the middle against a team like Calgary with a coach like Sutter, especially as the playoff hockey atmosphere starts to turn up. Not sure how much punishment he can take from Lucic, Zad and Gudbranson, if I’m Vegas I don’t want to see Calgary in the first round.

Good thing they are statistically unlikely to meet in the first round. One of them should finish 1st in the division and play a wildcard team.