Athletic agent poll- Calgary is 5th most disliked destination by agents

[kyuss275]

Not sure why some posters are surprised by this? This has been talked about for years where most trade clauses have Calgary on the list. Brian Burke also stayed years ago that the old dome doesn’t help matters. This is why the flames have to give Johnny what ever he wants to stay. No 1st line ufa or 1st line player with nmc is going to pick Calgary as their destination. We have a 1st line player that likes Calgary. That’s rare.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

COVID restrictions are a big thing and detracting players from Canada? That's some weak ass crap. The COVID numbers in the US are terrifying because of lack of leadership. People continue to get sick and die with the disease. Our healthcare system is overwhelmed because of lack of leadership and stronger restrictions/mandates. But yes, individual "freedoms" are more important. Hockey players are an ignorant bunch. Just another example.

I think healthy, 20s millionaires preferring less lifestyle restrictions is probably what you can expect.

That doesn't make it right or wrong in and of itself, but I can see how it could be an issue for Canadian teams signing UFAs.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Crap answer by me? Americans understanding of Canada is irrelevant to how they form their opinions.

That may be the dumbest thing I've read in quite sometime. Understanding of something is irrelevant to opinion formation? That may explain why the world is in the situation it is in. Facts no longer matter when formulating opinions. Just wild innuendo and gossip is all that is needed, right? It's why most people are morons and why their opinions are crap.

Americans are all about freedom and Canada right now is still restricting freedoms so it's fairly evident they may form a negative opinion about Canada based on that. I posted another quote where the agent elaborated.

That is ridiculous. Canada is no more restrictive than some states. That is just misinformation from an agent who should know better and help educate their client on the severity of COVID and the risks associated with it.

[TheScorpion]

Carolina being so high on this list completely invalidates it, IMO. They'd be one of my top destinations.

[bob-loblaw]

#funded-by-owners-seeking-new-rink lol

[The Cobra]

Based on 20 people being pooled, it's a pretty small sample size. It's not irrelevant, but we are talking about 2 out of 20 people.

I really don't think that it's that much evidence for the premise it's being used for.

[Da_Chief]

I think most have missed the team/owner as the headline.

Carolina being on the list totally makes sense, Dundon is very hands on and draws a line with contracts and lengths. Tough for agents to handle that.

Ottawa with Melnyk is a mess too. Same with Coyotes, who cant pay their rent.

Rest of the poll is a meh, all agents will have their GMs/Teams/Cities/Owners they would tell to avoid, 1-2 is nothing.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That may be the dumbest thing I've read in quite sometime. Understanding of something is irrelevant to opinion formation? That may explain why the world is in the situation it is in. Facts no longer matter when formulating opinions. Just wild innuendo and gossip is all that is needed, right? It's why most people are morons and why their opinions are crap.



That is ridiculous. Canada is no more restrictive than some states. That is just misinformation from an agent who should know better and help educate their client on the severity of COVID and the risks associated with it.

Man you must be fun at parties. Such a bizarre take on what I posted. We heard Faulk say that the US was handling things better. This is what some of them think so I don't understand what you are arguing against here or why you are getting overly political. You just said in a post that their thoughts and understanding on Canada are embarrassingly simplistic and incomplete and all I said was that it doesn't stop them from forming their opinions on Canada right or wrong.

[SutterBrother]

Sample size is too small to be meaningful. But I’d guess:

No playoff success (the biggest issue by far)
Climate
Taxes
Secondary tier city (no big endorsement deals, limited international culture)
Sub standard facilities
Team is under microscope

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Carolina being so high on this list completely invalidates it, IMO. They'd be one of my top destinations.

Remember though this is based on agents. An agent might not recommend Carolina strictly because of the owner, but most players would love to go there, join a wagon of a team, and especially play for Brind'Amour.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

That is ridiculous. Canada is no more restrictive than some states. That is just misinformation from an agent who should know better and help educate their client on the severity of COVID and the risks associated with it.

Im not 100% sure but i would question this belief.

Someone would have to explain to me how i can go to the pub and be perfectly fine ordering a burger and a beer at 9:59, but at 10:01 the spreading of Covid becomes a concern.

Or go to the local pub...sit down and order a beer and be fine....but cant take it and sit down 5 feet away to play a VLT.

All this with already proving to be triple vaccinated via qr codes.

Like I said, everyone knows certain restrictions are required depending on each situation. All over this country though, there are things in place that "for the greater good" leave you just shaking your head.

Someone was kust making stuff up to justify their positions within whatever department isimplementing these things.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Carolina being so high on this list completely invalidates it, IMO. They'd be one of my top destinations.

For the on-ice product? Sure.

Many other reasons not to want to be there however.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Carolina being so high on this list completely invalidates it, IMO. They'd be one of my top destinations.

Just curious, how many times have you been to Raleigh?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im not 100% sure but i would question this belief.

Someone would have to explain to me how i can go to the pub and be perfectly fine ordering a burger and a beer at 9:59, but at 10:01 the spreading of Covid becomes a concern.

Or go to the local pub...sit down and order a beer and be fine....but cant take it and sit down 5 feet away to play a VLT.

All this with already proving to be triple vaccinated via qr codes.

Like I said, everyone knows certain restrictions are required depending on each situation. All over this country though, there are things in place that "for the greater good" leave you just shaking your head.

Someone was kust making stuff up to justify their positions within whatever department isimplementing these things.

Exactly this. Players and agents aren't analyzing the politics, it's literally as simple as stuff like going to most provinces and not even being able to go for team meals. Or they go play out east and there aren't even fans in the buildings. Nothing political about it to them, they just see this as a big contrast

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by timbit

Just curious, how many times have you been to Raleigh?

Haha fair, is it really that bad though? I mean, you've got warm weather and a very good team. I can see being ambivalent about the city but it can't be that much worse than Edmonton or Winnipeg, no? Has to be something to do with Dundon, you'd think.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What is happening up there that players want out of Canada so badly? I mean, the States is a non-stop #### show. Why would anyone in their right mind think things are better down here with all the problems that exist? The only benefit I can think of is weather?

Let's be honest here...I have a feeling that most hockey players are conservatives / republicans.

So for a young, white, rich hockey player the tax laws and now COVID restrictions in the US would be more appealing.

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I think most have missed the team/owner as the headline.

Carolina being on the list totally makes sense, Dundon is very hands on and draws a line with contracts and lengths. Tough for agents to handle that.

Ottawa with Melnyk is a mess too. Same with Coyotes, who cant pay their rent.

Rest of the poll is a meh, all agents will have their GMs/Teams/Cities/Owners they would tell to avoid, 1-2 is nothing.

This.

Really the only three teams that truly are called out here are Arizona, Carolina, and Ottawa.

The rest of the list being 1-2 mentions is just personal preference / bias by that individual agent.

[dissentowner]

A couple of notes. There are teams that appear on both lists for prefered destination and not prefered like the Canes. The reason cited for Calgary is the old building and facilities. Most players who have played here have nothing to say but positive things.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Haha fair, is it really that bad though? I mean, you've got warm weather and a very good team. I can see being ambivalent about the city but it can't be that much worse than Edmonton or Winnipeg, no? Has to be something to do with Dundon, you'd think.

It's all about the owner. They said Carolina got lucky that Brind'Amour wanted to coach there and nowhere else, but the owners cheap ways will catch up to them. He's known to spend to the cap but not on much else, and they used the fact that the GM is also President of Hockey Ops, two drastically different roles, so he can save money by hiring one person to do two jobs as an example.

[dustygoon]

Oh oh....

“Practice facilities or arena is a good place to start. That’s a reflection of how an owner is willing to spend for their players.

“My barometer for that is basically: Is the owner spending money on the players and the other things fans might not think of? The wives’ room, the kids’ rooms, the rink, the amenities on the plane. Those are the first-class organizations.”

[The Fonz]

Could choose to interpret that list from a very different perspective.

In terms of destination desirability by agents, Calgary is viewed much the same as Boston, St Louis, Colorado, Vegas, and Anaheim.



Or just toss out the list/results entirely because the sample size is ridiculously small.