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		|  02-02-2022, 09:33 AM | #1 |  
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			Hmm. https://twitter.com/LWaler/status/14...FTsIMPYzxzEJZA 
Perhaps the designer has been watching a lot of documentaries lately and subconsciously drew inspiration.
   
Evidently it's a jersey, just folded up into a nice tidy flag-like rectangle rather than hung on a hangar the way jerseys normally are.
		
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		|  02-02-2022, 09:42 AM | #2 |  
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			TIL many people don’t actually know what the Nazi flags looked like.
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		|  02-02-2022, 09:43 AM | #3 |  
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		|  02-02-2022, 09:45 AM | #4 |  
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					Originally Posted by Passe La Puck  TIL many people don’t actually know what the Nazi flags looked like. |  
To too many people these days, it's a freedom flag.  Just ask the people at the "freedom convoy".
 
The NJ flag looks suspicious.  What's the inspiration for it?  It looks like some pagan or wiccan thing going on.
		 
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		|  02-02-2022, 09:52 AM | #5 |  
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			it for Chinese/Lunar New Year. The New Jersey logo is in Chinese calligraphy-like script
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		|  02-02-2022, 09:53 AM | #6 |  
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					Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction  To too many people these days, it's a freedom flag.  Just ask the people at the "freedom convoy".
 The NJ flag looks suspicious.  What's the inspiration for it?  It looks like some pagan or wiccan thing going on.
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It’s a Chinese New Year flag. Year of the tiger. 
 
It’s just a weird combo of the colours, symbol and way it’s folded that is accidentally evoking some Nazi trigger. Nothing purposeful at all.
		 
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		|  02-02-2022, 09:55 AM | #7 |  
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			A guy lost his job because those jersey's look like nazi flags? 
 I'm confused.
 
 Who is Ein Flagg? The equipment guy?
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		|  02-02-2022, 09:55 AM | #8 |  
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					Originally Posted by Canada 02  it for Chinese/Lunar New Year. The New Jersey logo is in Chinese calligraphy-like script |  
Thank you. Between the thread title and the Twitter link I had no idea what I was looking at.
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		|  02-02-2022, 09:56 AM | #10 |  
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					Originally Posted by Canada 02  it for Chinese/Lunar New Year. The New Jersey logo is in Chinese calligraphy-like script |  
Lol... now I feel dumb.
		 
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		|  02-02-2022, 10:00 AM | #11 |  
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			Why not use yellow in place of the white at least? The Red/yellow pairing having a strong tradition in that part of the world. Angular symbols, black on white circle on a red field is strongly evocative too - but from a different hemisphere. 
 I'm not saying the designer's a Nazi or that NJD sympathizes, but maybe do a little more field testing before releasing it on the world?
 
 I once came upon a belt company in the US that was using as their corporate logo an identical copy of the logo of a Luftwaffe fighter squadron (Jagdgeschwader 3). Probably some freelance designer was asked to come up with a graphic-style bird-like logo, did a bit of googling and appropriated it, but one reverse image search and two minutes on wikipedia could have saved some headaches. I dunno, I just SMH sometimes.
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		|  02-02-2022, 10:07 AM | #13 |  
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					Originally Posted by RoadGame  Why not use yellow in place of the white at least? The Red/yellow pairing having a strong tradition in that part of the world. Angular symbols, black on white circle on a red field is strongly evocative too - but from a different hemisphere. 
 I'm not saying the designer's a Nazi or that NJD sympathizes, but maybe do a little more field testing before releasing it on the world?
 
 I once came upon a belt company in the US that was using as their corporate logo an identical copy of the logo of a Luftwaffe fighter squadron (Jagdgeschwader 3). Probably some freelance designer was asked to come up with a graphic-style bird-like logo, did a bit of googling and appropriated it, but one reverse image search and two minutes on wikipedia could have saved some headaches. I dunno, I just SMH sometimes.
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I think you are looking for something that just isn't there. I saw the jerseys and thought it was an interesting design to bring in the lunar new year with. Not once did I think "Nazi flag".
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		|  02-02-2022, 10:08 AM | #14 |  
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			Hahahaha that's awesome! I thought the jersey looked great until the comparison.  
Someone dropped the ball. Their Quality control guy was the same one the Flames used for their Portpass app!
  
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			What? Someone is going to have to explain to me how the hell anyone saw this and thought "NAZIS!"
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		|  02-02-2022, 10:14 AM | #16 |  
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			I must be missing it. I didnt get any impression like that upon looking at them. 
 I think people are really reaching hard here.
 
 Yes. They are red and black. Most similarity ends there.
 
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		|  02-02-2022, 10:18 AM | #17 |  
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Those actually look pretty awesome IMO — the gold pops better in the light, and the Chinese writing on the back is a nice touch.
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		|  02-02-2022, 10:21 AM | #18 |  
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					Originally Posted by Locke  I must be missing it. I didnt get any impression like that upon looking at them. 
 I think people are really reaching hard here.
 
 Yes. They are red and black. Most similarity ends there.
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I don't think I would have thought Nazi if I saw it before someone else made the comparison.  The similarities are pretty vague. 
 
It's a great idea for the Devils to do this and pretty obvious that they wouldn't make a racist flag.
 
There is a flagging company here in the LML, maybe in Alberta too, called Universal Flagging.  Every time I see their trucks, I can't help but think Nazi flag.
		 
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		|  02-02-2022, 10:22 AM | #19 |  
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			Went to Hockeydb, couldn't find Ein Flagge's stats anywhere, no wonder he got released.
		 
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		|  02-02-2022, 10:52 AM | #20 |  
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			Fair enough that many won't see a likeness, but generally speaking an angular black symbol on a white circle on a red field runs the risk of drawing the comparison. A scroll through the twitter replies includes a picture of the Brandenburg Gate with banners hanging that is what came to mind for me when I saw the jerseys folded into rectangles and hung in the locker room (why not just put the damn things on hangars so they look like shirts? Odd.) 
At the risk of straying too far from hockey into graphic design, for those who remember the old cylindrical Heritage Fund grain hoppers some at the time thought they evoked the swastika as well:
http://tracksidetreasure.blogspot.co...rain-cars.html  
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