03-08-2007, 06:16 PM
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#121
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by alltherage
I didn't get any kind of feedback on it whatsoever, and it didnt seem to change, so whats the point of recommending its falling on deaf ears?
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That's the assumption that I'm trying to say shouldn't be made.. just because you don't visibly see something change doesn't mean something else didn't happen. Jumping from "I reported it but I didn't see an visible change" to "it fell on deaf ears" is a leap that isn't reasonable; and it insults the people doing the work as well.
No system is perfect and we still discuss and evaluate the system, as well as the kinds of things getting skill, sometimes daily.
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03-13-2007, 09:33 PM
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#122
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I dunno, but I am falling out of love with the skill system. I feel like I was treated a little unfairly and received negative skill for something pretty innocent, in fact, I see people with positive skill get away with much worse.
I'm not going to dwell on it, but I think there is something fishy about it.
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03-13-2007, 09:40 PM
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#123
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I dunno, but I am falling out of love with the skill system. I feel like I was treated a little unfairly and received negative skill for something pretty innocent, in fact, I see people with positive skill get away with much worse.
I'm not going to dwell on it, but I think there is something fishy about it.
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Fishy how?
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03-13-2007, 09:45 PM
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#124
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Fishy how?
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Just fishiy in the way that there doesn't seem to be any consistency. It also seems like a popularity vote rather than an actual system of judging quality of posts and contributions.
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03-13-2007, 09:58 PM
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#125
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Just fishiy in the way that there doesn't seem to be any consistency. It also seems like a popularity vote rather than an actual system of judging quality of posts and contributions.
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Man. This ain't high school. Do you think we even care enough to make it some sort of popularity contest? There is no conspiracy. There is no agenda.
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03-13-2007, 10:12 PM
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#126
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I'm not saying there is an agenda, but there are certain posters that seem to get away with anything while others get penalized for anything, and others who are solid contribitors get nothing.
I'm just saying, a little bit of consistency would be nice.
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03-13-2007, 10:24 PM
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#127
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Consistency how? Give me some examples.
It's easy to complain about a system but we can't improve unless we get into specifics here.
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03-13-2007, 10:26 PM
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#128
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Estonia
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Keep in mind everyone is free to report posts for either positive or negative skill. It is a system that will work with everyone's help.
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03-13-2007, 10:35 PM
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#129
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Consistency how? Give me some examples.
It's easy to complain about a system but we can't improve unless we get into specifics here.
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I'll PM you. I feel more comfortable airing it that way.
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03-13-2007, 11:02 PM
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#130
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Plus keep in mind it's impossible for everyone to read every post; just because a skill worthy post doesn't get skill doesn't mean that's intentional, it could just mean it wasn't noticed.
It's also possible that skill was given and the person's skill wasn't near a threshold to be changed (ie they could be red, be given a blue, and still be red).
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03-20-2007, 11:43 AM
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#131
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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I like the skill. The fact that people are concerned about Skill means it must be having an effect.
The only thing I would mention is that there are some valuable posters who rarely write more than a few sentences. They often have some good insights in those posts, but not enough to rate skill.
I'm not sure how to correct that, but it just seems like there are a group of posters who don't do enough in a single post to earn skill, but if their overall contribution is measured then they definitely deserve it.
I think the system is working as it was designed, but this one type of CPer can be overlooked in this system.
Perhaps if some of the Skill Designators would, once a week or every couple weeks, nominate some of these "beneficial but not prolific" members for skill points, then the recognitions would better reflect contribution.
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03-20-2007, 06:10 PM
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#132
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Calgary
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I still think that negatives are given out too liberally compared to positive skill points.
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03-21-2007, 11:01 AM
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#133
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Retired
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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
Consistency how? Give me some examples.
It's easy to complain about a system but we can't improve unless we get into specifics here.
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I can think of one, how about MainFlame having the most skill of any poster on this board (back when he was a member of this board, not sure what happened to him).
I'm not sure if it was actually a joke?
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03-21-2007, 11:06 AM
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#134
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by CaramonLS
I can think of one, how about MainFlame having the most skill of any poster on this board (back when he was a member of this board, not sure what happened to him).
I'm not sure if it was actually a joke?
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Eh?
MainFlame had the most negative skill of anyone. Blue=bad. Unless you are suggesting he was deserving of positive skill?
And as far as I know he is still a member here. Just doesn't seem to be around as much.
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03-21-2007, 11:07 AM
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#135
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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I think you are missing the point, Caramon. If anything, the poster you mention had a very low skill level, as was shown by the number of blue squares by his name.
Keep in mind blue=bad and red=good. The more blue, the more negative skill that person has received. A person with a grey skill level means they are held in much higher regard than somebody with 2 (or more) blue squares.
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03-21-2007, 11:13 AM
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#136
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Retired
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Originally Posted by ken0042
I think you are missing the point, Caramon. If anything, the poster you mention had a very low skill level, as was shown by the number of blue squares by his name.
Keep in mind blue=bad and red=good. The more blue, the more negative skill that person has received. A person with a grey skill level means they are held in much higher regard than somebody with 2 (or more) blue squares.
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I thought it was the opposite based on the FAQ. It mentioned red=bad, green =good, but since there was no green, I just assumed it was blue?
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03-21-2007, 11:15 AM
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#137
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by CaramonLS
I thought it was the opposite based on the FAQ. It mentioned red=bad, green =good, but since there was no green, I just assumed it was blue?
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Hmmm FAQs were wrong it would seem. Fixed. Strange.
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03-21-2007, 11:20 AM
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#138
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Playboy Mansion Poolboy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Close enough to make a beer run during a TV timeout
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Ah. Green and red were the original plan, then we decided to go with Oilers/Flames colours.
Makes sense now.
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03-21-2007, 07:56 PM
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#139
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Wet Coast
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The reputation vs. skill thing baffles me. Are they connected?
It's also slightly annoying that you can't tell who has given you a reputation point, or taken one away...or however the system works. There's times where the 'rep giver' has just been plain wrong in the way they've interpreted a post. i have -27 and could care less, so take it for what its worth. I'm still taking the time to let mods know there could be a bit of an issue.
Last edited by fanforever1986; 03-21-2007 at 08:01 PM.
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03-21-2007, 11:05 PM
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#140
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CP's Resident DJ
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: In the Gin Bin
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Originally Posted by fanforever1986
The reputation vs. skill thing baffles me. Are they connected?
It's also slightly annoying that you can't tell who has given you a reputation point, or taken one away...or however the system works. There's times where the 'rep giver' has just been plain wrong in the way they've interpreted a post. i have -27 and could care less, so take it for what its worth. I'm still taking the time to let mods know there could be a bit of an issue.
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Not to step on any Mod's toes, but to answer a couple of your questions, first, rep = skill... there is no difference. Those little boxes by your "Skill" indicator are your rep.
As indicated previously, blue is bad, red is good. If you want to see where you are on the bad side (considering the numerous blues you have) check here... (listed in order of worst rep/skill at #1 )
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/memberl...n&pp=30&page=1
By that indication, you are right down there with MF...
Now, as a NON point giver/taker, I find it funny that you want to know who is giving/taking away skill points. Does it matter? I think those folks have done a pretty darn good job when I look at the overall impact since this has started. Good bet that the bulk of the forum viewers are seeing your posts for what they appear to be. To you this should read that the likelyhood that people find your posts non-contributing should be pretty high.
Perhaps you should word your posts better if you think they are being misunderstood and are in fact contributing to this site in a positive manner.
My 1/10 of a cent.. after taxes.
Last edited by Shawnski; 03-21-2007 at 11:07 PM.
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