[Game Takes] Oilers 5 Flames 3

[Goriders]

It’s amazing how poorly we do against the oilers.

Doesn’t seem to matter what is going on with both teams. It seems to be in the Flames heads.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Flames are playing well within their Division by many measures. And I'm sure we'd all agree that shooting statistics don't decide hockey games.

I'd say the Flames are full marks for their record overall, but I don't really love how it's trending either. If a month from now we're still talking about not getting the bounces and calls, things might not be in a good place.

Agreed.

And honestly my prediction coming into this season was a team that outplays the opposition but can't finish enough to win enough games.

So far they're 12th in goals per game which is higher than I expected.

But there isn't a discrepancy in finishing or goaltending that can be attributed to what division the opposition plays in.

The Flames are the Flames but they're not playing an inferior Flames' game against their own division.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Agreed.

And honestly my prediction coming into this season was a team that outplays the opposition but can't finish enough to win enough games.

So far they're 12th in goals per game which is higher than I expected.

But there isn't a discrepancy in finishing or goaltending that can be attributed to what division the opposition plays in.

The Flames are the Flames but they're not playing an inferior Flames' game against their own division.

I think there is finishing and then there is finishing in big or close games or when the intensity is ramped up. It's the latter that concerns me frankly and not just finishing but all around play. There is only so much a coach can do to impact that.

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It’s amazing how poorly we do against the oilers.

Doesn’t seem to matter what is going on with both teams. It seems to be in the Flames heads.

I really miss the Iginla days when the Flames owned the Oilers. I was hoping one of the old guards like Backlund or Monahan would put the game away when it was 2-0. This current “core” just doesn’t seem to mind losing to the Oilers. I know the Flames outplayed/out chanced them. But their star took over the game and ours didn’t.

I hate losing to the Oilers. Especially when they were soooo ripe for the taking.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

I really miss the Iginla days when the Flames owned the Oilers. I was hoping one of the old guards like Backlund or Monahan would put the game away when it was 2-0. This current “core” just doesn’t seem to mind losing to the Oilers. I know the Flames outplayed/out chanced them. But their star took over the game and ours didn’t.

I hate losing to the Oilers. Especially when they were soooo ripe for the taking.

This was one game that I thought could turn into a blowout for the Flames.

But then it turned into every other game against the Oilers.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah honestly my focus wasn't on Tanev doing the right or wrong things, but that the next line of defense was taken out on a pick creating a game winning goal in a game where they already set the precedent for interference calls earlier in the game.

That late in the game, it's a great example of NHL game management at its best (worst).

ETA: with respect to the non-call by the refs.

[D as in David]

My eyes are telling me the Backlund line is a black hole offensively - do the advanced stats back that up? In particular, high danger chances.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by D as in David

That late in the game, it's a great example of NHL game management at its best (worst).

They had three guys back and only one Oiler coming at them.

Ideally Kylington doesn't turn it over trying to dump it in, but I wouldn't really call that a mistake.

A very good player made a very good move on essentially a 1 on 3, and a player either fouled Calgary number two which created a yard sale that blocked player number three.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by D as in David

My eyes are telling me the Backlund line is a black hole offensively - do the advanced stats back that up? In particular, high danger chances.

As a trio they've played 148 minutes together five on five.

Stats suggest they should have scored 6.2 goals, and they've only scored 3 which would suggest poor finishing for sure.

But defensively they should have given up 4.4 but have only surrendered 1.

xGF% 58.75%
GF% 75%

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah people get beat. Calls get missed. Back checkers don't get back in time. All these things happen.

In this particular game, we didn't have anyone beat their man clean in a one on one situation with four minutes left in a tie game to score the go ahead goal.

Sure, but notwithstanding Tanev, who doesn’t Drai’s foot speed, two other players were back. One got taken out and Lindholm was coasting before he got taken out by the scrum caused by the interference. Without that, there’s no cut across and much less chance of a goal. That goal was on Tanev, Lindholm, the refs and the Markstrom couldn’t come up with the poke.

[Strange Brew]

Tanev inexplicably stops moving his feet and Draisaitl recognizes and is behind him instantly. Once that happened it was always going to be a prime scoring chance.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sure, but notwithstanding Tanev, who doesn’t Drai’s foot speed, two other players were back. One got taken out and Lindholm was coasting before he got taken out by the scrum caused by the interference. Without that, there’s no cut across and much less chance of a goal. That goal was on Tanev, Lindholm, the refs and the Markstrom couldn’t come up with the poke.

you mean Kylington?

Flames should have been up 6-2 at that point anyway so the entire team can share the blame IMO

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Bingo

They had three guys back and only one Oiler coming at them.



Ideally Kylington doesn't turn it over trying to dump it in, but I wouldn't really call that a mistake.



A very good player made a very good move on essentially a 1 on 3, and a player either fouled Calgary number two which created a yard sale that blocked player number three.

Sorry, I meant "game management" in the context of refereeing.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you mean Kylington?

Flames should have been up 6-2 at that point anyway so the entire team can share the blame IMO

Kylington was the guy taken out, Lindholm was the third man back, and not moving his feet at all, until he ran into the pileup.

And yeah, the whole sequence was caused by a shallow puck.

[Brick]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Tanev inexplicably stops moving his feet and Draisaitl recognizes and is behind him instantly. Once that happened it was always going to be a prime scoring chance.

Except that the play should have been whistled down on an interference call to Greaser #13.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sure, but notwithstanding Tanev, who doesn’t Drai’s foot speed, two other players were back. One got taken out and Lindholm was coasting before he got taken out by the scrum caused by the interference. Without that, there’s no cut across and much less chance of a goal. That goal was on Tanev, Lindholm, the refs and the Markstrom couldn’t come up with the poke.

Tanev tried to a flyby wave poke check on him & missed instead of angling him to the corner. It was a peewee level “all or nothing” defensive mistake & had nothing to do with respecting Draisatl’s footspeed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Tanev tried to a flyby wave poke check on him & missed instead of angling him to the corner. It was a peewee level “all or nothing” defensive mistake & had nothing to do with respecting Draisatl’s footspeed.

I didn’t say “respecting”. I left out a word which was “have”. But no, Draisaitl just beat him to the outside and carved in. It happens to every defenceman. But I’m not sure what you’re arguing here. No one is absolving Tanev. But there should have been backup and it was prevented by (a) interference on Kylington and (b) Lindholm not skating hard.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It’s amazing how poorly we do against the oilers.

Doesn’t seem to matter what is going on with both teams. It seems to be in the Flames heads.

It's really only the last two seasons, and honestly the biggest issue in that time has been goaltending.

As a whole this "core" had done fairly well against the Oilers.

2014-2015: 5-0-0
2015-2016: 3-1-1
2016-2017: 0-3-1
2017-2018: 2-2-1
2018-2019: 2-2-0
2019-2020: 3-1-0
2020-2021: 4-6-0
2021-2022: 0-2-0

So it's been a bit of an issue these last two seasons, but for the 6 seasons before that we were 15-9-3 against the Oilers.

And really these last two seasons are all just goaltending issues and specials teams.

At 5v5 Flames have outplayed the Oilers.

55.2% Corsi For
57.1% xGF

But we have a .871 save percentage against them the last two years, which is just terrible. Saturday night was the perfect example, where the Oilers PP scores 2 goals on really what were plays that weren't amazing PP set ups, just a bit unlucky and Markstrom missed (especially the second one which squeezed through his arm and chest).

Flames really need to understand why Markstrom seems to be struggling on home ice, and during in-division games.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I didn’t say “respecting”. I left out a word which was “have”. But no, Draisaitl just beat him to the outside and carved in. It happens to every defenceman. But I’m not sure what you’re arguing here. No one is absolving Tanev. But there should have been backup and it was prevented by (a) interference on Kylington and (b) Lindholm not skating hard.

My point is that Draisatl’s foot speed is irrelevant in the play.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Boreal

My point is that Draisatl’s foot speed is irrelevant in the play.

Yeah that wasn’t some next level ply by Draisaitl. It was a strange decision by an otherwise strong defender.