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iggypop · 03-20-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Burninator

The hike on fuel hungry cars and SUV's is fine in my books. I don't think the average person (like my mother) needs a 5.4 litre 8 cyclinder engine SUV to drive herself to work.

Trucks are exempt, therefore SUV's are also excempt. So considering SUV's and trucks are then excempt this whole tax is pointless in my mind, as it almost encourages people to buy these bigger excempt vechiles.

kevman · 03-20-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

I also wonder, what is the impact on the environment to manufacture a vehicle? Between extracting the metal, smelting, manufacturing, and then the eventual impact of an extra vehicle going to the wrecker.

I ask, because I wonder if there may be some cases where it's better for a family to have one multipurpose vehicle like a truck; instead of a small car as well as a truck.

Shhh...you're making too much sense...I don't think anyone should start thinking about the whole picture here!

Bobblehead · 03-20-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by iggypop

Trucks are exempt, therefore SUV's are also excempt. So considering SUV's and trucks are then excempt this whole tax is pointless in my mind, as it almost encourages people to buy these bigger excempt vechiles.

SUVs are NOT exempt. Pickup trucks are exempt.

calculoso · 03-20-2007, 10:38 AM

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At the other end of the spectrum, new passenger vehicles that consume more than 13 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres will be hit with a $1,000 levy. Trucks will be exempt. The rate of the levy will rise to $4,000 on vehicles with fuel consumption ratings of 16 litres per 100 kilometres or higher.

Anybody know of a place that I can look for more details on this? I've ordered a new car that was supposed to be at the dealership earlier this month. Due to the Rail Strike, its new date is supposed to be today or tomorrow, and I'm wondering how this will impact me. I'll be rather pissed if this just increased the price of the car, even though the fuel efficiency is somewhere around 10-11 L / 100 KM.

Mccree · 03-20-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by calculoso

Anybody know of a place that I can look for more details on this? I've ordered a new car that was supposed to be at the dealership earlier this month. Due to the Rail Strike, its new date is supposed to be today or tomorrow, and I'm wondering how this will impact me. I'll be rather pissed if this just increased the price of the car, even though the fuel efficiency is somewhere around 10-11 L / 100 KM.

I think the budget has to pass thru the house first and that will not happen today or tommorrow. You should be ok.

albertGQ · 03-20-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mccree

I think the budget has to pass thru the house first and that will not happen today or tommorrow. You should be ok.

I think they vote on the budget next Tuesday

iggypop · 03-20-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

SUVs are NOT exempt. Pickup trucks are exempt.

Got a link to prove that? Im not bashing, Im just curious to. I was told by my political science prof that SUVs are excempt, but I haven't seen it in writing. SUV's have always been considered trucks in the past so it really wouldn't suprise me though.

Bobblehead · 03-20-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by calculoso

Anybody know of a place that I can look for more details on this? I've ordered a new car that was supposed to be at the dealership earlier this month. Due to the Rail Strike, its new date is supposed to be today or tomorrow, and I'm wondering how this will impact me. I'll be rather pissed if this just increased the price of the car, even though the fuel efficiency is somewhere around 10-11 L / 100 KM.

You're fine.

The levy only kicks in for vehicles with 13L/100km or worse. link

calculoso · 03-20-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mccree

I think the budget has to pass thru the house first and that will not happen today or tommorrow. You should be ok.

http://www.budget.gc.ca/2007/bp/bpc3...fuel-efficient

Maybe... but it seems to have a March 20, 2007 (ie: today) implementation date.

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The levy will apply to new vehicles delivered by a manufacturer or importer to a purchaser (usually a dealer) after March 19, 2007. Inventories of vehicles held by dealerships will not be subject to the new Green Levy. Certain consumer purchase contracts entered into before March 20, 2007, will also be grandfathered. With the introduction of the new levy, the existing excise tax on heavy vehicles will be eliminated effective March 20, 2007.

Looks like I'm okay anyway. Using the 55/45 split with the manufacturer's specifications, I get a fuel efficiency of 9.57 L / 100 KM. There is a chart on that link above that will show that I'm not eligible for a rebate, but won't get the levy either. Not great, but not horrible either.

Bobblehead · 03-20-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by iggypop

Got a link to prove that? Im not bashing, Im just curious to. I was told by my political science prof that SUVs are excempt, but I haven't seen it in writing. SUV's have always been considered trucks in the past so it really wouldn't suprise me though.

From today's Herald

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Starting today, every new vehicle sold in Canada -- except pickup trucks -- that uses at least 13 litres of gasoline per 100 kilometres, will face a "green levy" between $1,000 and $4,000, the Conservatives announced in their federal budget Monday.

I'm guessing they are going to use the destinction that most SUVs are used as passenger vehicles.

I'll agree, it seems like a kind of strange distinction to make. Especially when the CRA already uses this chart for determining depreciation eleigibility/classes. But this levy is being applied at the dealerhip level, so most people aren't going to need figure it out; the dealership will tell you one way or the other.

ericschand · 03-20-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobblehead

... so most people aren't going to need figure it out; the dealership will tell you one way or the other.

Oh that'll work. They would never charge $4,000 for the levy, even
though it's only supposed to be $1,000...

ers

Burninator · 03-20-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ericschand

Oh that'll work. They would never charge $4,000 for the levy, even
though it's only supposed to be $1,000...

ers

I think the dealerships will follow a federal government mandate. They charge you for GST, this is along the same line.

There will probably be some government sanctioning body that have a list as to which vehicles need to be charge what amount.

Ironhorse · 03-20-2007, 02:42 PM

I think the government collects the levy at the dealership delivery level. I'm sure the dealership will pass those costs onto the consumer...

FireFly · 03-20-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ken0042

It looks like I can bring back $400 worth of bottle rockets now.

48-Hour Travellers’ Exemption‑The customs and tax exemptions for returning Canadian residents who have been out of Canada for more than 48 hours is increased to $400 (from $200), for travellers returning on or after March 20, 2007

Good thing I arrived yesterday... s. (Actually they didn't charge me anything extra for admitting I was over, but then they also didn't know how much I really brought back either....

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FireFly · 03-20-2007, 02:49 PM

nm, I read it wrong...

TimSJ · 03-20-2007, 02:54 PM

just a fun little thing for those saying Hybrid is the saviour of the world...

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The Toyota Prius has become the flagship car for those in our society so environmentally conscious that they are willing to spend a premium to show the world how much they care. Unfortunately for them, their ultimate ‘green car’ is the source of some of the worst pollution in North America; it takes more combined energy per Prius to produce than a Hummer.

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/edito...asp?NewsID=188

Bobblehead · 03-20-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

I don't think it's a strange distinction, most trucks are built for work; towing, carrying loads, etc. SUVs are built for play. SUVs are generally for personal use whereas trucks are meant for work.

My biggest reason for saying that was knowing the number of issues I've seen with people claiming their vehicles a business use on their tax return and then the CRA re-assessing and saying they were passenger vehicles. For years extended cab trucks over a certain dollar value had this issue. And since I work in a business that specializes in farm tax returns, there are many farmers purchasing large pickups that have historically run into these issues.

I'm wondering about things like a Ford Explorer (SUV) or a Ford Explorer Sport-Trac (which has a box). Even some Hummers I've seen have an exposed box. If a Sport-Trac is an SUV, how about pickups with 4 doors and a short-box, like some of the Nissan Frontier models? I don't know how they are going to draw the line?

I guess I'm just wondering about the specifics of it. It isn't a cut and dried as it sounds.

eazyduzzit · 03-20-2007, 04:04 PM

Why charge people more for bigger vehicles when they might actually need bigger vehicles for a reason and not out of luxory?

I'm not talking a housewife who wants to spend 50k of her husbands money on a nice escalade. I'm talking a family who go's camping...haul's a 7,000+ camper....6k+ boat perhaps?

I know trucks are exempt, but you can't really fit a family into a truck anyway.

Taxing people based on the size of there vehicles is ridiculous, they should just give far bigger and more appealing tax breaks to those tho buy smaller and more efficient vehicles.

I don't drive a big huge gas guzzler because I like to pay 120+ at the pump, I drive one because I need to.

eazyduzzit · 03-20-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

Its no less ridiculous than taxing you based on your income.

Isn't a boat a luxury? If not I definately need a boat.

So your already paying the price on your income tax. Do you need to to pay the price x2?

Minus the boat, there are a ton of families who chose to go camping and have a trailer, instead of paying the 5-10k or whatever it can add up to have a vacation else where such as a plane ticket/hotel to Hawaii etc.

Owning a camper doesn't mean your some chap with pockets overflowing with gold.

Bobblehead · 03-20-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyduzzit

So your already paying the price on your income tax. Do you need to to pay the price x2?

Minus the boat, there are a ton of families who chose to go camping and have a trailer, instead of paying the 5-10k or whatever it can add up to have a vacation else where such as a plane ticket/hotel to Hawaii etc.

Owning a camper doesn't mean your some chap with pockets overflowing with gold.

Maybe not, but campers or boats are hardly "need" items.