2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Knight and the 1st are digestable, but no way the Panthers are moving Lundell. Swap that out with a Tippett or Verharghe and they might be willing to chat.

Carter Verhaeghe is a better player than Bennett , IMO.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by timbit

Carter Verhaeghe is a better player than Bennett , IMO.

He’s also locked in for another year for pennies.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

TBF, Chychrun is only 23, signed for 3 more years at under $4.6M, had 41 points in 56 games last year and is not coming off major surgery. The only question mark for me is whether last year was an aberration or a sign of the future.

Believe me, I know-I've used the same argument in favor of aquiring Chychrun. None of those facts makes JC a bigger trade chip than one of the best, young, true #1 centers in the game. Eichel's situation has it's issues, and so does Chychrun.

Don't get me wrong, I would still bet that I would be willing to offer more for JC than most, as I believe that last year wasn't an aberration.

[dino7c]

Chychrun at 23 making 4.6M 100% has more value than 10M broken neck Eichel did
if he gets traded it will be proven IMO

[TheScorpion]

Yeah Chychrun is a legit young 1D ... not surprised the Coyotes are asking for the moon.

[TOfan]

Duhatschek’s trade board up at The Athletic:

https://theathletic.com/3067222/2022...ould-be-dealt/

No Flames on a list of 30. Queue ‘Treliving should be fired immediately’.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Duhatschek’s trade board up at The Athletic:

https://theathletic.com/3067222/2022...ould-be-dealt/

No Flames on a list of 30. Queue ‘Treliving should be fired immediately’.

Let's pick up Tomas Hertl and Toffoli. I think that would solve a lot of problems.

Edit: I should mention, I am OK with selling off draft picks and prospects to do this - we aren't rebuilding at the moment, so you gotta go for it. If it doesn't work - you blow it up.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Let's pick up Tomas Hertl and Toffoli. I think that would solve a lot of problems.

Edit: I should mention, I am OK with selling off draft picks and prospects to do this - we aren't rebuilding at the moment, so you gotta go for it. If it doesn't work - you blow it up.

According to the article, Herlt has a very small and specific list of teams he’s willing to accept a trade to. Unlikely the Flames are on that list.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

According to the article, Herlt has a very small and specific list of teams he’s willing to accept a trade to. Unlikely the Flames are on that list.

Damn... He'd be a great pickup.

[Jiri Hrdina]

This is one of the reasons why Canadian teams struggle to win it all. For the most part, outside Toronto, they aren't a desirable market. So they have a smaller pool of trade targets, and turn their heads to overpaying free agents (which they shouldn't do).
It is what it is, but kinda sucks.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is one of the reasons why Canadian teams struggle to win it all. For the most part, outside Toronto, they aren't a desirable market. So they have a smaller pool of trade targets, and turn their heads to overpaying free agents (which they shouldn't do).
It is what it is, but kinda sucks.

On possible solution could be to negotiate more RFA years in the next CBA.

If you could get 9 or 10 years instead of 7 you could at least keep your own guys.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

On possible solution could be to negotiate more RFA years in the next CBA.

If you could get 9 or 10 years instead of 7 you could at least keep your own guys.

I think the players are becoming more empowered and the players union would never agree to it unfortunately

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is one of the reasons why Canadian teams struggle to win it all. For the most part, outside Toronto, they aren't a desirable market. So they have a smaller pool of trade targets, and turn their heads to overpaying free agents (which they shouldn't do).
It is what it is, but kinda sucks.

It is one of the reasons I think the NHL should consider limiting the movement protection it hands out to players. In a cap world it is hard enough to make moves but when you have a huge chunk of a team having some form of trade protection that makes it even harder.

Canadian teams need to give this protection to bottom 6 forwards and 2nd/3rd pairing Dmen in many cases. In most of their leagues only the truly elite franchise level talents have trade protection.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is one of the reasons why Canadian teams struggle to win it all. For the most part, outside Toronto, they aren't a desirable market. So they have a smaller pool of trade targets, and turn their heads to overpaying free agents (which they shouldn't do).
It is what it is, but kinda sucks.

Winning it all is rarely a result of trades or free agents anyways.

Most cup teams drafted their elite cores.

Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Fleury
Kucherov, Hedman, Point, Stamkos, Palat, Gourde, (Coleman was a trade yes)
Keith, Kane, Toews, Seabrook, Hjalmarsson (Hossa was a FA yes)
Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Voynov, Brown, (Carter was a FA yes)
Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Lucic, Thomas (yes, Chara was a FA)
Pietrangelo, Tarasenko, Parayko, Binnington (yes ROR and Schenn were trade acquisitions)

The Flames certainly have pulled off trades for Carter/Coleman/ROR tier players (e.g. Lindholm). Maybe not a Chara/Hossa tier player, but I see those as being a bit more outliers.

Where Canadian teams fail is to tank successfully to get those franchise players at centre and defense.

Toronto is the closest thing to a successful tank where they picked up Nylander, Marner, and Matthews on consecutive years. I dunno if Morgan Rielly is a #1 of the tier necessary, but he too was drafted.

Edmonton might figure it out if Evan Bouchard lives up to his draft pedigree and becomes their #1. They'll need a goalie and a coach though.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Chychrun at 23 making 4.6M 100% has more value than 10M broken neck Eichel did
if he gets traded it will be proven IMO

Yeah comparing the two is ridiculous. Having a bargain contract fetches teams huge returns (Coleman, Goodrow). Bargain contracts on legit #1 at their position players and you’re going to have to pay. He’s making less than half of what he would if he signed last summer.

[Vinny01]

I don’t watch the Coyotes at all unless they are playing the Flames so forgive my ignorance but when I look at Chychrun I see a player who has really only had 1 good season and he was when he only played against 7 other teams in a shortened schedule.

Outside of last year his career high is 26pts and he looks to be having a brutal season this year.

Can someone post so stats that show he is more than a flash in the pan and worth the rumored 3 1st round pick ask?

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah comparing the two is ridiculous. Having a bargain contract fetches teams huge returns (Coleman, Goodrow). Bargain contracts on legit #1 at their position players and you’re going to have to pay. He’s making less than half of what he would if he signed last summer.

Is he a legit #1 though or are there some question marks?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t watch the Coyotes at all unless they are playing the Flames so forgive my ignorance but when I look at Chychrun I see a player who has really only had 1 good season and he was when he only played against 7 other teams in a shortened schedule.

Outside of last year his career high is 26pts and he looks to be having a brutal season this year.

Can someone post so stats that show he is more than a flash in the pan and worth the rumored 3 1st round pick ask?

I get the feeling the Coyotes are trying to sell high which is smart if you don't believe the player is as good as his perceived value coming off a career season. If he truly was as good as some people think, the Coyotes would be building a team around him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t watch the Coyotes at all unless they are playing the Flames so forgive my ignorance but when I look at Chychrun I see a player who has really only had 1 good season and he was when he only played against 7 other teams in a shortened schedule.

Outside of last year his career high is 26pts and he looks to be having a brutal season this year.

Can someone post so stats that show he is more than a flash in the pan and worth the rumored 3 1st round pick ask?

26 points was in 63 games (40 point pace). The year before 32 point pace. So he’s gone 32, 40, 60 point paces prior to this year. This year injuries and Covid have affected him.

But at the very worst you’re likely getting a 30-40 point dman who costs less than Rasmus, Hanifin, Girard, etc. He’s a bargain contract even if he is not a 60 point guy.

[1qqaaz]

How do Jakob Chychrun's injury problems compare to Eichel's? Chychrun only averages about 59 games per season despite only being (almost) 24 years old.

Eichel has the uncertainty with the surgery, but it seems he may generally be more durable than Chychrun.