2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Yeah well that’s kind of the point, you need to take some power back to you can control some of your destiny not continue this Jesus take the wheel strategy Treliving is employing.

If you do not force the issue you kill valuable time in advance of putting together a good deal for Gaudreau, that’s how you end up with Agostino for Iginla. I (very highly) doubt the Flames have given Gaudreau the best offer they can. If they have, and he’s rejected it, you need to focus on rebuild.

You know what’s worse than not going rebuild when your most valuable asset can be monetized? Trying to stumble into playoffs, lose, watch that asset evaporate and then start the rebuild in the summer. So I’m basically saying decisions need to be made now, not in the summer as to what strategy you will do. You need to know what Johnny is willing to do, to know what to do.

And it doesn’t matter what teams you go negotiate with if Johnny won’t go there so you need an idea of his preferences first. They will be playoff teams anyway. What you think he’s gonna say trade me to Phoenix or Seattle?

You missed the point.

He puts Phoenix and Seattle on the list so he can have complete control. Those teams will offer nothing for a UFA to be.

Calgary has lost the chance to control its destiny on Johnny, that ship has sailed. There is likely no power to take back.

He'll only get traded if he choses to be traded. And he may simply decide to stay in Calgary for the rest of the year so he has a huge bargaining chip. Pay me or lose me for nothing.

Your strategy is likely just going to piss him off.

And I doubt Calgary would trade him in any event as long as they are in the playoff hunt.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The term is almost always the issue with UFAs. But if you don’t commit term, you don’t get the player.

In an ideal world, a smart team would have a policy never to commit more than 4 years to a UFA over the age of 28. But in reality, any team that adopted the policy had better hit it out of the park with their drafting, because they are never going to sign any of the top 15 or so UFAs available every summer.

Nor will they keep any of their best players.

It's a free market world. The only way the 4-year idea works is if every other team agrees to it. Which is illegal.

I guess you don't consider that ideal.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1483515243774889985

Geez if you can't hold-up in the defense rotation with the Oilers its probably time to start looking at life after hockey.....

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't kid yourself. If/when Johnny walks the Flames will turn their attention to guys like Hertl and Forsberg to plug the hole. They will overpay for one of them in their desperate quest to win now. The only way this organization will head into a rebuild is the kicking and screaming way the Habs did where their attempts to hang on just keep making the team worse and worse until the roof caves in. To be honest I'm a little envious they are in position to come out of this COVID mess of a season with Shane Wright.

If you believe Salim Valji’s grim 2022 predictions he has Johnny walking, Flames overpaying Kadri and Mueller taking over as Sutter steps into an advisory role

[mile]

Salim’s understanding of this team is about as good as any Eastern Canadian casual hockey fan

Think I saw a tweet of his from the other day listing Johnny as a C…

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If you believe Salim Valji’s grim 2022 predictions he has Johnny walking, Flames overpaying Kadri and Mueller taking over as Sutter steps into an advisory role

Flames could do worse

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If you believe Salim Valji’s grim 2022 predictions he has Johnny walking, Flames overpaying Kadri and Mueller taking over as Sutter steps into an advisory role

If that happens, let's start a thread with this:

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If you believe Salim Valji’s grim 2022 predictions he has Johnny walking, Flames overpaying Kadri and Mueller taking over as Sutter steps into an advisory role

The thing is, I could see that happening. I also agree with the post above, we could do worse.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Don't kid yourself. If/when Johnny walks the Flames will turn their attention to guys like Hertl and Forsberg to plug the hole. They will overpay for one of them in their desperate quest to win now. The only way this organization will head into a rebuild is the kicking and screaming way the Habs did where their attempts to hang on just keep making the team worse and worse until the roof caves in. To be honest I'm a little envious they are in position to come out of this COVID mess of a season with Shane Wright.

We'll see, its far far more likely they won't

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You missed the point.

He puts Phoenix and Seattle on the list so he can have complete control. Those teams will offer nothing for a UFA to be.

Calgary has lost the chance to control its destiny on Johnny, that ship has sailed. There is likely no power to take back.

He'll only get traded if he choses to be traded. And he may simply decide to stay in Calgary for the rest of the year so he has a huge bargaining chip. Pay me or lose me for nothing.

Your strategy is likely just going to piss him off.

And I doubt Calgary would trade him in any event as long as they are in the playoff hunt.

Actually I don’t think you get it. He doesn’t have to sign somewhere if he gets traded so he will say playoff team to have a shot and then go UFA anyway.

Agree he controls somewhat whether or not he gets traded, depends on his contract language but presume he would have to provide the list of teams he would permit a trade to.

You have to try and get some control back for your decision making, highly, highly doubt my strategy pisses him off if played correctly and making every effort to try to sign him. If he doesn’t want to who cares if he is pissed off, he’s not signing here anyway and now you know definitively you need to rebuild.

This isn’t as hard as people make it. Gaudreau understands this is a business. Everyone knows this is a business and business decisions need to be made, obviously yes while respecting sensitive situations like this but overthinking things like you are doing is how you end up having no control and losing a key asset for no return. That’s a recipe for disaster IMO. You don’t put Gaudreau’s feelings over the long term success of the team, bottom line. That’s ass backwards.

There’s a way to do this, it’s not like Gaudreaus opinion needs to drive the bus for the Flames especially if you are starting to sense his intention is to test free agency and if that is the case you need to protect your team and blow it up. If you don’t have the balls to make tough decisions when you need to you shouldn’t be GM. Bottom line Treliving even letting this situation get to where it is where he has zero leverage or play is a fire-able offense but time to fix it post haste before you make the biggest GM blunder in franchise history.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames could do worse

Signing a soon to be 32 year old to a long term contract would be brutal. Hope the Flames stay away.

[Sandman]

I believe Muller was brought in to take the reins from Sutter when his contract is up, so that part I can see. Kadri needs upper-echelon players around him to be effective, he can't carry the load. If they can't sign Johnny by the deadline, they had better trade him-there better not be any scenarios like,"we still thought we could sign him after the deadline", or, "we DID get something back for Johnny-cap space!".

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I believe Muller was brought in to take the reins from Sutter when his contract is up, so that part I can see. Kadri needs upper-echelon players around him to be effective, he can't carry the load. If they can't sign Johnny by the deadline, they had better trade him-there better not be any scenarios like,"we still thought we could sign him after the deadline", or, "we DID get something back for Johnny-cap space!".

Unless the Flames loose 18 of their next 25 games or something crazy there is no chance JG gets traded

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I believe Muller was brought in to take the reins from Sutter when his contract is up, so that part I can see. Kadri needs upper-echelon players around him to be effective, he can't carry the load. If they can't sign Johnny by the deadline, they had better trade him-there better not be any scenarios like,"we still thought we could sign him after the deadline", or, "we DID get something back for Johnny-cap space!".

Unfortunately I see this as the most likely outcome at this point

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Actually I don’t think you get it. He doesn’t have to sign somewhere if he gets traded so he will say playoff team to have a shot and then go UFA anyway.

Agree he controls somewhat whether or not he gets traded, depends on his contract language but presume he would have to provide the list of teams he would permit a trade to.

You have to try and get some control back for your decision making, highly, highly doubt my strategy pisses him off if played correctly and making every effort to try to sign him. If he doesn’t want to who cares if he is pissed off, he’s not signing here anyway and now you know definitively you need to rebuild.

This isn’t as hard as people make it. Gaudreau understands this is a business. Everyone knows this is a business and business decisions need to be made, obviously yes while respecting sensitive situations like this but overthinking things like you are doing is how you end up having no control and losing a key asset for no return. That’s a recipe for disaster IMO. You don’t put Gaudreau’s feelings over the long term success of the team, bottom line. That’s ass backwards.

There’s a way to do this, it’s not like Gaudreaus opinion needs to drive the bus for the Flames especially if you are starting to sense his intention is to test free agency and if that is the case you need to protect your team and blow it up. If you don’t have the balls to make tough decisions when you need to you shouldn’t be GM. Bottom line Treliving even letting this situation get to where it is where he has zero leverage or play is a fire-able offense but time to fix it post haste before you make the biggest GM blunder in franchise history.

You are still missing the point. He may not approve a trade even to a playoff team simply to pressure the Flames into giving him a huge contract.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1483660280093720577

[SuperMatt18]

I’m sure Darryl could call Tyler and remind him of those two cup wins in LA together

[genetic_phreek]

I wonder what it would take for us to get Drouin from the Habs. Maybe Dube+?

I feel like Drouin plays a style that might mesh with Monahan. I think that could balance our top 9.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Lucic - Monahan - Drouin
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I wonder what it would take for us to get Drouin from the Habs. Maybe Dube+?

Tough to do that when he has another year at $5.5 million and the team has three other natural LWs wanting big money.

[Gundo]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Signing a soon to be 32 year old to a long term contract would be brutal. Hope the Flames stay away.

Literally the most Flames thing the Flames could do… wouldn’t even surprise me.