Brad Treliving needs to go

[Flamesfan05]

If the team is not in a solid playoff spot, he needs to sell Arizona style and go for a rebuild

If he doesn’t, there is a good chance Johnny, Tkachuk and Mangi all walk within a year and the Flames are left with no assets to rebuild

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If the team is not in a solid playoff spot, he needs to sell Arizona style and go for a rebuild

If he doesn’t, there is a good chance Johnny, Tkachuk and Mangi all work within a year and the Flames are left with no assets to rebuild

It might already be too late with Gaudreau because there's zero chance he's trading him at the deadline if we're anywhere close to the playoffs.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by nik-

It might already be too late with Gaudreau because there's zero chance he's trading him at the deadline if we're anywhere close to the playoffs.

Then he made a bad decision

[I_H8_Crawford]

Can't wait to watch Johnny walk for nothing, then Tre says "We got cap space!" and promptly spend it all on a 3-4th liner or 4-6 D-man.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Then he made a bad decision

Clearly. If he couldn't come to a deal last summer he should have moved him. However I don't know if that's a decision he would get approval on, even if he had the stones to make it. At this point the Flames have zero control over what happens with Gaudreau, their only hope now is throwing an obscene contract at him.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

If the team is not in a solid playoff spot, he needs to sell Arizona style and go for a rebuild

If he doesn’t, there is a good chance Johnny, Tkachuk and Mangi all walk within a year and the Flames are left with no assets to rebuild

There’s a ‘good chance’ Eat Bread and Tkachuk will not only be on 1 year deals next season, but when they are the Flames will just hold onto both of them and not trade them for assets before they walk?

You really think there’s a ‘good chance’ of that happening?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Yikes that is a disastrous move in my opinion.

They won’t put all the chips in for a 25 year old number 1 center for the next 5 years but they will do it for a couple players who will play a handful of games for the team and then walk.

If that is the plan fire the entire management team

I've taken a win-win approach to the season.

Either sutter's able to get this group into the playoffs and win a round OR they don't make the playoffs and it's over. Johnny has to be moved, tkachuk has to be moved, and at that point, they have to sell everything off. Which also begs the question on whether treliving gets another shot at a rebuild here or is kicked to the curb.

I shudder to think what this management does with it's assets should they be in a dog fight for a WC spot come trade deadline...

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

There will not be a player with Eichel’s potential and ability available via trade in this teams window. If McDavid pushes his way out Calgary has no chance of getting him.

If this team wants to win then they should have emptied the chamber to get him. If that meant Tkachuk, Mangiapane, multiple 1sts so be it.

Flames needed to pick a lane and they have not done that in my opinion. They say they are trying to win but when all you do is swap Gio for Zadorov and add Coleman I don’t see how that is doing anything other than keeping this team on the bubble.

maybe if eichel was 100% healthy then you consider that - but, to roll the dice like that on a guy who is injured and won't play for quite a while - that is a bold move

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

There’s a ‘good chance’ Eat Bread and Tkachuk will not only be on 1 year deals next season, but when they are the Flames will just hold onto both of them and not trade them for assets before they walk?

You really think there’s a ‘good chance’ of that happening?

I don’t know, just looking at Johnny

A decision will have to be made. Better sooner than later.

[Classic_Sniper]

I’m still going to give Treliving until the end of the season before I start trashing him. But this does look like the team I had thought it was at the beginning of thr season which was a one line team with little to no depth.

The great start out of the gates was pretty much propped up by the top line along with Mangiapane’s red hot start, but we all knew he wasn’t going to score at a 60 goal pace all season. Now that the dust has settled, I think it’s pretty clear what this team needs as I don’t see anyone in the middle 6 catching fire all of a sudden. So at the very least, a small move needs to be made ASAP in my opinion. Personally I’d change out half this forward group, but that’s unrealistic. But a new body that’ll drop some of the deadweight from the line up and energize the group would help at least incrementally.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

There’s a ‘good chance’ Eat Bread and Tkachuk will not only be on 1 year deals next season, but when they are the Flames will just hold onto both of them and not trade them for assets before they walk?

You really think there’s a ‘good chance’ of that happening?

Well it's happening right now with the best player on the team.

[FlamesAddiction]

Has Treliving ever made any big trades mid-season? I can't recall any offhand. I suspect that he won't now either.

[Classic_Sniper]

Also, I’m going to start being critical of Darryl’s usage soon if the losses continue. It’s one thing to ice a roster full of deadweight, but it’s another thing to play that deadweight as much as he has. For instance, Matthew Tkachuk’s 17:57 of ice time vs Trevor Lewis’ 13:05?? WTF. I just posted how vital the top line has been to all 17 of this team’s victories, so why isn’t everyone in the top line averaging 20 minutes?

If the top line is miles and miles ahead of everyone else, the minutes they play should reflect that. We shouldn’t be gifting minutes to players who consistently cost the team goals and then ask the top line to save the day by outscoring their mistakes with relatively minimal minutes. If there isn’t a move on the horizon, then Darryl needs to play the top line more and the other guys less, because when they’re on the ice, the chances of scoring go up and the chances of being scored on go down. We don’t need the other 3 lines making the their jobs harder because we wanted to roll all 4 lines for the sake of rolling all 4 lines. These guys are professional athletes, if you consistently play like crap, then you shouldn’t expect to play.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Well it's happening right now with the best player on the team.

I’m talking about the Eat Bread and Tkachuk situations. The ‘fan’ I quoted has a history of coming up with worst case scenarios for this team. As for Johnny maybe he walks, maybe he signs for 7 years, maybe both sides have an idea what a deal will look like and are going to complete it after the season. None of us know anything right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I’m talking about the Eat Bread and Tkachuk situations. The ‘fan’ I quoted has a history of coming up with worst case scenarios for this team. As for Johnny maybe he walks, maybe he signs for 7 years, maybe both sides have an idea what a deal will look like and are going to complete it after the season. None of us know anything right now.

Right, and if all Tkachuk does is sign a QO and all Mangiapane does is a one year extension, there’s pretty much no way they don’t get traded.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

There’s a ‘good chance’ Eat Bread and Tkachuk will not only be on 1 year deals next season, but when they are the Flames will just hold onto both of them and not trade them for assets before they walk?

You really think there’s a ‘good chance’ of that happening?

I think there is a decent chance of that happening. They want to win and/or live and play in a desirable place. Hate to say it but Calgary doesn't rate highly in any of those categories.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I think there is a decent chance of that happening. They want to win and/or live and play in a desirable place. Hate to say it but Calgary doesn't rate highly in any of those categories.

That they leave is only half of the prediction - the other half is that they just play out and go UFA instead of being moved.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Also, I’m going to start being critical of Darryl’s usage soon if the losses continue. It’s one thing to ice a roster full of deadweight, but it’s another thing to play that deadweight as much as he has. For instance, Matthew Tkachuk’s 17:57 of ice time vs Trevor Lewis’ 13:05?? WTF. I just posted how vital the top line has been to all 17 of this team’s victories, so why isn’t everyone in the top line averaging 20 minutes?

If the top line is miles and miles ahead of everyone else, the minutes they play should reflect that. We shouldn’t be gifting minutes to players who consistently cost the team goals and then ask the top line to save the day by outscoring their mistakes with relatively minimal minutes. If there isn’t a move on the horizon, then Darryl needs to play the top line more and the other guys less, because when they’re on the ice, the chances of scoring go up and the chances of being scored on go down. We don’t need the other 3 lines making the their jobs harder because we wanted to roll all 4 lines for the sake of rolling all 4 lines. These guys are professional athletes, if you consistently play like crap, then you shouldn’t expect to play.

Sutter has gotten a pass because the team had success...and because he's Darryl Sutter.

But the forward usage has been perplexing all season and it's catching up to them now.

The line's today at practice make more sense than they have in a while:

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Lucic - Monahan - Dube
Lewis - Richardson - Ritchie

Outside of Richardson at 4th line C that's probably the ideal usage of the forwards at this teams disposal right now.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

There will not be a player with Eichel’s potential and ability available via trade in this teams window. If McDavid pushes his way out Calgary has no chance of getting him.

If this team wants to win then they should have emptied the chamber to get him. If that meant Tkachuk, Mangiapane, multiple 1sts so be it.

Flames needed to pick a lane and they have not done that in my opinion. They say they are trying to win but when all you do is swap Gio for Zadorov and add Coleman I don’t see how that is doing anything other than keeping this team on the bubble.

The team up the road road shows that a team can struggle to rise above mediocrity even with two superstars. And Eichel has never shown himself to be at the level of McDavid or Draisatl.

If Eichel alone is such an incredible difference-maker, why did the Sabres suck so bad? Emptying the chamber to bring in Eichel almost certainly would have made the Flames a worse team.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I've taken a win-win approach to the season.

Either sutter's able to get this group into the playoffs and win a round OR they don't make the playoffs and it's over. Johnny has to be moved, tkachuk has to be moved, and at that point, they have to sell everything off. Which also begs the question on whether treliving gets another shot at a rebuild here or is kicked to the curb.

I shudder to think what this management does with it's assets should they be in a dog fight for a WC spot come trade deadline...

There is a lot of lose in that approach though.

This team will not be in a selling position at the deadline and chances they lost Gaudreau for nothing is high.

I would hate for this team to be starting a rebuild after they traded Pelletier and a 1st for a handful of games of Hertl.

It feels like they will target a depth Dman or maybe bring Gio back and sniff around a forward but hopefully not pay the price to get a guy like Hertl or Giroux who will certainly cost a 1st+

Poor cap management has this team in tough to keep their bubble squad together let alone add.

I fully support a new GM and have since another disappointing offseason concluded.