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Old 01-12-2022, 12:47 PM   #641
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I am not a fan of Kane's behavior, but if he has a legitimate case, I hope San Jose is on the hook for paying him and that it counts against their cap.

It seems pretty obvious that they were looking for an out and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some shenanigans at work here. Just because Kane is a jerk, it doesn't mean the Sharks organization are saints either.
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Old 01-12-2022, 12:53 PM   #642
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With serious money issues, wouldn't it make more sense to suck it up and play with McDavid or Draisiatl (and both on the power play) for minimum and rack up the points for the rest of the season (with no need to play defence), then seek the payday in the low tax jurisdiction in the summer?
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Old 01-12-2022, 12:54 PM   #643
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I am not a fan of Kane's behavior, but if he has a legitimate case, I hope San Jose is on the hook for paying him and that it counts against their cap.

It seems pretty obvious that they were looking for an out and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some shenanigans at work here. Just because Kane is a jerk, it doesn't mean the Sharks organization are saints either.
Sounds like he ditched his AHL team ignoring the leagues covid protocol...not a minor offence.

Big part of the teams being allowed to travel and play is following the guidelines. NHL has postponed over 100 games and this guy thinks he can just do whatever he feels like.
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Like, he gets suspended 21 games for forging covid Vax documents and then....THEN!! He gets covid for realsies, forges some more Vax documents to board a plane to Canada from the U.S.

If this is true I don't see how the PA can fight his contract termination, on too of the league absolutely dropping the ban hammer on him.

This is a straight character issue. It shows a blatant disregard for others (regardless of your pandemic politics) and also shows direct insubordination to a team, league and sport that he has had ample opportunity to make tens of millions of dollar if he just kept his head down.

Sprinkle in the fact he's Flipping bankrupt from the already made tens of millions he's already earned.

He's just a selfish irresponsible person who has exiled himself from every team he has played for.

Yeah, let the Oilers sign him.

God blessed talent absolutely wasted. Just poured down the drain.
Well...its quite literally their job to do so.

They won't likely win if the rumors are true, but they have an entire legal staff paid to represent these guys whether or not they are questionable characters.
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This is the same organization that gave Todd Bertuzzi a contract so not sure your expectations are a reality here.
Bertuzzi was just a dumb goon. I don't think he was ever considered a bad teammate.
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Sounds like he ditched his AHL team ignoring the leagues covid protocol...not a minor offence.

Big part of the teams being allowed to travel and play is following the guidelines. NHL has postponed over 100 games and this guy thinks he can just do whatever he feels like.
The sticky part of COVID protocols is that it's not something that would be written up in his contract seeing COVID wasn't a thing when he signed it. I'm no legal expert so I don't know how pandemic measures translate to contracts that likely never took any of this in consideration.
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Bertuzzi was just a dumb goon. I don't think he was ever considered a bad teammate.
True. In fact, wasn't it reported that Iginla really pushed for it?
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True. In fact, wasn't it reported that Iginla really pushed for it?
I remember when Bertuzzi was introduced to the media he said the entire reason he chose to sign in Calgary was because of Jarome
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Bert had an on ice incident defending a teammate. He punched a guy in the head and then landed on him. The resulting injury had everything to do with the seriousness of the incident, similar things happen often in hockey.

20 ish game suspension like Kane just had...Bert didn't do the exact thing in his first game back
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This is peak Oilers. Get the fan base all riled up for a signing and then some outside force twarts them. Like a suspension, or a fax machine, or the player realizing they'd have to go to Edmonton.
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Sounds like he ditched his AHL team ignoring the leagues covid protocol...not a minor offence.

Big part of the teams being allowed to travel and play is following the guidelines. NHL has postponed over 100 games and this guy thinks he can just do whatever he feels like.

Like he just went AWOL on the team without permission? I must have missed that.

I was considering a situation where he may have notified them verbally that he wanted to travel to Vancouver, and they were like yeah, whatever, you do you. Then as soon as he did, they bust him for breaking protocols.

San Jose was looking for a way out and if they gave him implied permission by knowing about his intentions and not pointing out the consequences, then I think they should be responsible. I don't know if that is what happened, but I wouldn't be shocked either since contract termination was likely something they were researching for a while.
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Like, he gets suspended 21 games for forging covid Vax documents and then....THEN!! He gets covid for realsies, forges some more Vax documents to board a plane to Canada from the U.S.

If this is true I don't see how the PA can fight his contract termination, on too of the league absolutely dropping the ban hammer on him.

This is a straight character issue. It shows a blatant disregard for others (regardless of your pandemic politics) and also shows direct insubordination to a team, league and sport that he has had ample opportunity to make tens of millions of dollar if he just kept his head down.

Sprinkle in the fact he's Flipping bankrupt from the already made tens of millions he's already earned.

He's just a selfish irresponsible person who has exiled himself from every team he has played for.

Yeah, let the Oilers sign him.

God blessed talent absolutely wasted. Just poured down the drain.
Yeah, as said they have to. They likely wont win, but they have to do their jobs.

What is intriguing to me though is that this final infraction that triggered the termination of his contract actually appears to have occurred in the AHL which is outside of the NHLPA's jurisdiction.

So it will be interesting to see what happens there. It could be that because this all happened in the AHL that the team cant terminate an NHL contract?

I dont know.
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Old 01-12-2022, 01:27 PM   #653
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Did your coworker also struggle to find work, and jump from one company to tbe next while burning bridges along the way? If not, then I do not see how this analogy fits. I also had a coworker once who developed a terrible reputation for creating controversy everywhere he went—a brilliant and creative guy. He is no longer in the field, and no one misses him.

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And for those saying Sutter could control him - well maybe. But Sutter to me is more a guy who gets players to play a better style, not a guy who’s well known for rehabbing bad character. And why would he even want to bother - he prefers getting players who suit him rather than changing them.
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Old 01-12-2022, 01:31 PM   #654
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The sticky part of COVID protocols is that it's not something that would be written up in his contract seeing COVID wasn't a thing when he signed it. I'm no legal expert so I don't know how pandemic measures translate to contracts that likely never took any of this in consideration.
Yeah, I don't think the "Air Bud" defense is going to fly here.

Pretty sure the language is broad enough that it covers any circumstances that arise and are agreed to by the NHL/NHLPA, which would include COVID protocols.
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The only thing Kane is guilty of is the Covid-related issues, which is definitely problematic. It's needlessly stupid and he needs to get his #### together.

However, the rest of the things that people are bagging on E. Kane about like gambling, false claims from his vindictive and crazy ex-wife, etc., is being overblown. Lets look at some examples:
  • Jagr is a notorious gambler and womanizer with significant debts, but he never received nearly the same media coverage about it that E. Kane does.
  • Patrick Kane has physically and sexually assaulted numerous people, which is swept under the rug.
  • Tony Deangelo is a Trump-ist with a history of racism that dates back to his junior days, but there has been minimal media coverage on him besides the NYR scuffle.
  • Jeff Carter was kicked off of Philly for partying and is rumored to have slept with his teammate's wife, but there was minimal media coverage on that as well
Besides the Covid-issues, E. Kane is being vilified for acting no different than the rest of the hockey fraternity (i.e. acting like a typical dumb jock/pro athlete), but like many of his peers (e.g. Emery, Ho-Sang, Subban, A. Carter, etc.) there's a media target on his back because he's "different". It's ridiculous


I am not absolving Kane of his stupidity, but the conditions on the Flames are present to make acquiring him a success for both parties and Treliving is an idiot if he doesn't pursue it
Have their been (m)any other players who did pretty much all of the above?

I'm also not sure 'media coverage' is the bone to pick here. A key difference in E Kane's case is his ex-wife going public on twitter...that is something tangible that can be reported. I don't recall enough about the P Kane case(s), but the legal proceedings can inhibit coverage to some extent (yet there was still plenty of coverage). The others are largely rumour and innuendo, which isn't fertile grounds for legitimate reporting.

The thing to question might be the 'forgiveness' from fans. P Kane is the only one who has remained with the same fanbase as when he committed his sins...and the scandals related to the Blackhawks is a whole nother debate.

Could fans do more to protest the others? Perhaps...
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Yeah, I don't think the "Air Bud" defense is going to fly here.

Pretty sure the language is broad enough that it covers any circumstances that arise and are agreed to by the NHL/NHLPA, which would include COVID protocols.
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This is the same organization that gave Todd Bertuzzi a contract so not sure your expectations are a reality here.
Don't compare the 2 .....not even remotely close .

Kanes behavior in ALL instances makes me wonder how he's not already behind bars or dead.
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With serious money issues, wouldn't it make more sense to suck it up and play with McDavid or Draisiatl (and both on the power play) for minimum and rack up the points for the rest of the season (with no need to play defence), then seek the payday in the low tax jurisdiction in the summer?

summer??? if he lands in edmonton he'll have all the time in the world to look for a payday come mid spring (the season does end at the end of april right now)!
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seems to me that kane seems to thrive when there is drama in his life.

you would think that someone close to him would help him "lie low" for a while, but he just cant seem to help himself
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Yeah, I don't think the "Air Bud" defense is going to fly here.

Pretty sure the language is broad enough that it covers any circumstances that arise and are agreed to by the NHL/NHLPA, which would include COVID protocols.
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