[News Roundup] CSEC/City arena deal UPDATED: Third Party Facilitator

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

This actually happens and it sucks. Wanting fun things in a city I live in is not stupid.

A while back I looked through EDM and CGY event calendars for 2018:

CGY missed out on:

Old Dominion
Avenged Sevenfold
Brantley Gilbert
Jeff Dunham
Shania Twain (2 nights)
Paul McCartney
Drake (2 nights)


We got and they didn't (unless it was at a different venue in EDM):
Ellen Degeneres
Stars on Ice
Brad Paisley (Stampede)
Luke Bryan (Stampede)
UFC
Cirque Wonderland
Fleetwood Mac? (I know they've postponed show(s) in the last few years due to illness, not sure if this one happened or was a re-schedule)


It certainly skews in EDM's favour, but not by that much. Even if/when we do get a strong-roofed arena, there is no guarantee we get every big show that comes through EDM. The balance probably comes a lot closer, but there will still be shows that only do one city or the other.

[Manhattanboy]

Not that I'm a country music fan, but a few years back didn't EDM get something like 6 Garth Brooks concerts and we got none?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Not that I'm a country music fan, but a few years back didn't EDM get something like 6 Garth Brooks concerts and we got none?

That sounds like a 'bullet dodged.'

Chalk that one up in the 'Win' column for Calgary and the 'Dome.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Not that I'm a country music fan, but a few years back didn't EDM get something like 6 Garth Brooks concerts and we got none?

In 2017 he did 7 sold-out concerts in Calgary.

https://calgaryherald.com/entertainm...-garth-brooks/

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Locke

That sounds like a 'bullet dodged.'

Chalk that one up in the 'Win' column for Calgary and the 'Dome.

not my cup of tea either but they had six sold out shows...I know tons of people that went up to Edmonton (hotels, dinners, ect.)

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Not that I'm a country music fan, but a few years back didn't EDM get something like 6 Garth Brooks concerts and we got none?

He did 9 shows in Edmonton in February 2017. Then he did 7 shows in Calgary in September 2017.

[powderjunkie]

I believe Brooks also did a show in Calgary during Stampede 2012 after a decade+ of hardly touring at all

[dino7c]

Calgary Stampede is a bit of an equalizer (monstly one genre) but still the big shows are going to the dome and it won't last forever. Tax payers will pay to keep it up and eventually a new building.

I think Drake is the lamest artist on earth he was on degrassi for FFS nice street cred this generation is stupid and so easily manipulated /rant

that being said he was the top selling artist in the world in 2018...2x Edmonton and Zero Calgary. The youngins on here are always going on about culture ect.

Paul McCartney, well it doesn't get bigger than that
Metallica also played Edmonton twice since the last Calgary show, TBF one was at Commonwealth so that is an argument for another day.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

The construction of a hockey arena and events centre is precisely the type of project that private industry is very well equipped to accomplish.

The Flames or some other private entity can find the financing, build the thing, and collect fees from concerts and rent from sports teams for the next 30 years.

There is no reason the city should be involved at all.

The City may not be involved in financing, but it will definitely be "involved". Planning, transportation, security, support infrastructure, etc. etc.

All will add costs. And the City will be expected to bear the costs of some of that support infrastructure - could be sewers, widening roads, adding an LRT station or two and so on.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. (TANSTAFL for the Heinlein fans).

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by getbak

He did 9 shows in Edmonton in February 2017. Then he did 7 shows in Calgary in September 2017.

We just had the good sense not to raise a fricken' banner for it...

Spoiler!

[Manhattanboy]

Maybe Garth Brooks should be a financial partner?

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Those aren’t specific. They’re vague and unsourced.

by "specific" I was thanking him for info provided on specific cities.

Yeah, sourced info would be great.

Do you have any to add?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Maybe Garth Brooks should be a financial partner?

No kidding. He had 16 sold out shows in Alberta, basically in a row? I had no idea.

[rage2]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Those aren’t specific. They’re vague and unsourced.

Here’s some quick sources.

Vancouver and Griffiths ownership and how much personal money he pumped in: http://www.lcshockey.com/issues/57/feature10.asp

Griffiths bankruptcy, with blurb on the arena kickstarting financial troubles: https://www.timescolonist.com/bc-new...ruptcy-4608885

Ottawa, bankruptcy, and personal losses for Bryden: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...-found-success

Winnipeg and true north’s privately funded and eventually getting more free government money because the jets are important: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ntre-1.1026604

I’ve cited sources. Feel free to cite sources that privately funded Canadian NHL arenas are financially successful outside of Toronto, and I’ll be more than happy to continue the discussion.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

A while back I looked through EDM and CGY event calendars for 2018:

CGY missed out on:

Old Dominion
Avenged Sevenfold
Brantley Gilbert
Jeff Dunham
Shania Twain (2 nights)
Paul McCartney
Drake (2 nights)


We got and they didn't (unless it was at a different venue in EDM):
Ellen Degeneres
Stars on Ice
Brad Paisley (Stampede)
Luke Bryan (Stampede)
UFC
Cirque Wonderland
Fleetwood Mac? (I know they've postponed show(s) in the last few years due to illness, not sure if this one happened or was a re-schedule)


It certainly skews in EDM's favour, but not by that much. Even if/when we do get a strong-roofed arena, there is no guarantee we get every big show that comes through EDM. The balance probably comes a lot closer, but there will still be shows that only do one city or the other.

That's one year tho.

JayZ. Kanye. Justin Timberlake all played Edmonton instead of Calgary.

I like concerts and I want them in my city and Edmonton gets them and we don't. It sucks.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

No kidding. He had 16 sold out shows in Alberta, basically in a row? I had no idea.

Story time:

After two shows in Calgary, he realised the third deck wasn’t used. He didn’t like that so he asked they be opened up and donated ALL the sales to charity through the Flames Foundation.

[Zoller]

So if the Flames do end up moving do they go to Houston?

Houston Flames has a pretty good ring to it tbh. Also so much of our oil and gas industry left Alberta for Texas. Seems only fitting our NHL team follows suit.

What are the benefits of Houston? Newer arena I assume? Larger fan base and likely a better TV deal?

Would the owners keep the team and move or would they sell it to a Houston buyer?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Zoller

Would the owners keep the team and move or would they sell it to a Houston buyer?

No.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Zoller

So if the Flames do end up moving do they go to Houston?

Houston Flames has a pretty good ring to it tbh. Also so much of our oil and gas industry left Alberta for Texas. Seems only fitting our NHL team follows suit.

What are the benefits of Houston? Newer arena I assume? Larger fan base and likely a better TV deal?

Would the owners keep the team and move or would they sell it to a Houston buyer?

There's no way Houston has a larger NHL fan base or NHL TV market than Calgary. I suppose that, due to its much larger population, it has the potential to one day be a larger NHL market, but that wouldn't happen for decades, if ever (just in time to need a new publicly-funded arena!)

[cral12]

as long as they don't rename them Houston Oilers