[PGT] Lightning 4 Flames 1

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The Tale of Two Teams.

Since 2004, Tampa has two Stanley Cups while the Flames have won one playoff round. Look at how Tampa built their team, and just do that - getting that even somewhat right would be multiple times better than what this organization has done in that time span.

Tampa got lucky and won a lottery and also got Victor Hedman second overall. Calgary has not yet been gifted that silver spoon.They have drafted well, I will give them that, but we're not having this conversation about they're two Stanley cups if they don't suck so bad those two years, oh I forget they also drafted Lecavalier first overall as well. Perhaps we should also go 10 million over the cap or whatever it was too, that might help our playoff success as well

Screw Tampa Bay and the horse they rode on

[Number 39]

I’m happy to be proven wrong but I don’t see an NHLer in Philips.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Good news is, after tomorrow's game, the Flames barely play any games in the eastern time zone for the rest of the season.

Columbus on the 26th is the only other one... then 2 or 3 more in June.

[VilleN]

Gudbranson has to be one of the best fighters in the league.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Gudbranson has to be one of the best fighters in the league.

He is. Was a monster in Florida but injuries caught up with him so barely see him fight these days. But that's the reason he never has to take #### from anyone.

[Classic_Sniper]

Wow, was that ever the ass kicking or what. Hats off to the Lightning though, not only did they completely shut the Flames down, but they managed to easily neutralize the top line too. They are without a doubt, the best team in the league.

I have to say though, after watching such a thoroughly dominant display of hockey, it’s very clear that the Flames just do not have the horses to get to Tampa’s level and it’s going to take more than just one move; it could require several moves in a pretty big overhaul.

It was quite a pathetic display of dump in, chase, defend, dump in, chase, defend, dump in, chase, defend. If the bottom portion of this team can’t reliably check, then I don’t know why they’re here. If they’re not gonna score on the rush, then you have to at the very least, check and get some offensive zone time.

The defense is going to make more mistakes if 2 or 3 of your lines are constantly playing red rover and giving the opposing team a chance to counter attack with such ease. The better this team is at checking, the more time they can spend in the offensive zone to ease pressure on the D and the F3. It may not be fancy hockey, but it’s winning hockey.

[Vinny01]

I thought the Flames deserved a point or better against Florida but they deserve what they got tonight. One of the worst performances I have seen from the team. Vlader kept them in it but they were outclassed all night

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by browntrout

tampa got lucky and won a lottery and also got victor hedman second overall. Calgary has not yet been gifted that silver spoon.they have drafted well, i will give them that, but we're not having this conversation about they're two stanley cups if they don't suck so bad those two years, oh i forget they also drafted lecavalier first overall as well. Perhaps we should also go 10 million over the cap or whatever it was too, that might help our playoff success as well

screw tampa bay and the horse they rode on

lol

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

https://twitter.com/user/status/1479304717771571203

Sutter speaking pretty bluntly yet again.

“They have two lines of 20-50 goal scorers, not one line of 20 goal scorers”

Sutter sure hasn’t shied away from pointing out the problems with the skill level of this roster this season.

“Nothing wrong with how we played, we just played a better team”

Yep, the Lightning played the Flames style of game and dismantled them shift by shift.

It was pretty obvious going into the season that the Flames would be a one line team. I didn’t think it’d be this big of a discrepancy, but Darryl isn’t wrong. The Lightning are 3 lines deep with elite players in all positions while the Flames have one legitimate line, a good goaltender and a defense that does it by committee. It’s nice to get the occasional excellent game from Mangiapane, Coleman or etc, but that’s not sustainable. Up against the top teams of the league, the Flames’s serious lack of depth has bene exposed.

[Moneyhands23]

Sounds to me Sutter is consistently speaking in public about how teams are just flat out better/more skilled. This can't sit well with the players (even tho it's true) and makes me wonder why guys like Johnny would want to stay.

I feel that somethings got to give. No way they can just keep plugging along and expect a deep playoff run with the current roster. Saying that I just don't see what BT can really do. Not many assets to move, and really what is even available.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Sounds to me Sutter is consistently speaking in public about how teams are just flat out better/more skilled. This can't sit well with the players (even tho it's true) and makes me wonder why guys like Johnny would want to stay.

I feel that somethings got to give. No way they can just keep plugging along and expect a deep playoff run with the current roster. Saying that I just don't see what BT can really do. Not many assets to move, and really what is even available.

You don’t think the players know what they are?
It’s more of a shot at Treliving for putting together this sad roster

[Jacks]

I appreciate Sutter telling it like it is and I imagine the players do too. Players don't need a coach blowing smoke up their ass, Sutter knows how to win and if they follow his instruction they'll be a more complete team. It's up to Treliving to improve the roster but that has nothing to do with today, Sutter can only work with what he has and he seems to get the best out of everyone.

Also, please extend Vladar, he looks like a future star.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Number 39

I’m happy to be proven wrong but I don’t see an NHLer in Philips.

Originally Posted by Jacks

I appreciate Sutter telling it like it is and I imagine the players do too. Players don't need a coach blowing smoke up their ass, Sutter knows how to win and if they follow his instruction they'll be a more complete team. It's up to Treliving to improve the roster but that has nothing to do with today, Sutter can only work with what he has and he seems to get the best out of everyone.

Also, please extend Vladar, he looks like a future star.

If Vlad keeps playing at this level and Wolf also keeps being a Stud it may let the team trade Markstrom for a good return and free up cap space after next season

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Also, please extend Vladar, he looks like a future star.

They wont have to worry about that until after next season.

[N-E-B]

I feel like I didn’t really need these games to determine that the Flames weren’t as good as the Lightning or Panthers. I thought that was fairly obvious. Winning 2/3 games against those teams and the Canes would be challenging for any team in the league.

If they beat Carolina I’ll be happy. If they don’t I won’t be surprised and it won’t be the end of the world either. This is an insanely tough 3 game stretch.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Tampa got lucky and won a lottery and also got Victor Hedman second overall. Calgary has not yet been gifted that silver spoon.They have drafted well, I will give them that, but we're not having this conversation about they're two Stanley cups if they don't suck so bad those two years, oh I forget they also drafted Lecavalier first overall as well. Perhaps we should also go 10 million over the cap or whatever it was too, that might help our playoff success as well

Screw Tampa Bay and the horse they rode on

Pittsburgh got lucky with Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury.
Chicago got lucky with Kane, and Toews.
LA got lucky with Doughty, and Kopitar.

It’s not really luck. It’s getting the opportunity to build a team on a sound foundation by choosing not to overpay middling free agents to stay just competitive enough to barely miss the playoffs/be first round fodder, and choosing not to leverage the future by trading away prospects and picks for minor short term gains.

Championship teams are built on the backs of top draft picks. Pick at the top of the draft (and don’t screw it up), and then find good players late in draft, sign smart contracts, hire a great coach, make good trades and generally be one of the better managed teams in the league - you have to do all of these things to build a Championship quality team - and the Flames haven’t done it, so they aren’t of Chanpionship quality.

[Dion]

The game against Florida and Tampa was a good measuring stick as to where we stack up against the leagues best teams. Our secondary scoring doesn't match up to those teams and it's area Tre needs to address.

[btimbit]

I'll pretty much just echo other people's thoughts. These Florida games show how we measure up against the best of the league. Calgary is good, but we're not competitive against the best teams

Next few weeks will be interesting to see if Treliving targets something at the trade deadline

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Tampa got lucky and won a lottery and also got Victor Hedman second overall. Calgary has not yet been gifted that silver spoon.They have drafted well, I will give them that, but we're not having this conversation about they're two Stanley cups if they don't suck so bad those two years, oh I forget they also drafted Lecavalier first overall as well. Perhaps we should also go 10 million over the cap or whatever it was too, that might help our playoff success as well

Screw Tampa Bay and the horse they rode on

In hindsight, the Flames rebuild was too quick. They drafted complimentary pieces in Monahan and Bennett rather than actual franchise players as you mentioned. Treliving put too much stock in the 14-15 season, thought the Flames were closer than they were and developed an itchy finger.

Heck, how good would the Flames look with 23 year old #1 center Jordan Kyrou right now instead getting that one garbage year out of Brian Elliott? He certainly would've solved our current problem up the middle.

Young #1 center + future Selke nominee Elias Lindholm would be a helluva 1-2 punch. Kings of the West we'd be.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If the Flames really fancy themselves as one of the league's elite teams, they need to make adjustments so they don't get soundly outplayed by these clubs.

Maybe we should add two other $8 million players and somehow get around the cap issues we'd be an elite team

Somehow with 0 cap space they dropped Kucherov into that game.