2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Knut]

Originally Posted by talladega.25

I feel the Flames could have come up with a similar offer. But hey Ritchie and Pittlick are game breakers so we don't the extra skill

Alex Nylander is not a Sutter player whatsoever.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by talladega.25

I feel the Flames could have come up with a similar offer. But hey Ritchie and Pittlick are game breakers so we don't the extra skill

Alex Nylander isn't very good. Calling up any of Gawdin, Pelletier, or Phillips would be better.

[Monahammer]

Nylander seems all motivation issue for me. No way a kid that showed his talent in mens leagues as a teenager could just fall so flat for skill reasons.

I would have given him a shot. We have swedes, he's a calgarian, and he's a right handed shot.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Toffoli can likely be moved for a first by himself. Why does Montreal take back Monny for nothing?


Many teams would bid for Toffoli, making Monny part of the deal moves Calgary to the back of the bus. Cap is king these days.

Which team is making that trade? He is not a rental so any team acquiring him needs the space for the next 2 years.

People in love with Toffoli’s aberration of a season last year must not realize he is on pace for 16 goals this year and hasn’t scored 30 in 7 years. I don’t see teams lining up with 1st rounders and cap space to acquire him.

[Tron_fdc]

I'm curious to see what Dallas does if they fall off.

Guys like Pavelski, Radulov and Klingberg on expiring deals. Benn and Seguin getting long in the tooth.

I could see them moving out all kinds of players if they think they aren't making playoffs.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

on Insider trading, Dreger says the Coyotes are looking for an Eichel like return (Tuch, Krebs, conditional 1st, conditional 2nd) for Chychurn

I don’t think this is an unreasonable ask considering Chycrun’s contract and the fact that he is only 23(!!!)

I don’t think it should be us given what we currently have and our glaring needs up front, but a team would be smart to make this deal instead of paying a first to bring in a rental Chiarot or something similar

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yup.

I don't know why Sutter seems to be so adamant that Lewis+Monahan should be a thing.

Monahan+Lewis: TOI- 145 Minutes, xGF - 39.01%

Monahan w/o Lewis: TOI- 210 Minutes, xGF - 56.6%

And it's not like other combinations haven't worked:

Lucic-Monahan-Dube: 64.2% xGF - 30 Minutes
Pitlick-Monahan-Dube: 60.8% xGF - 66 Minutes
Mangiapane-Monahan-Coleman: 53.0% xGF - 42 Minutes

Monahan maybe could have had a bounce back season, and he has been good on the PP, but no chance he's going to bounce back at 5v5 playing with Lewis and Richardson.

I think it’s more about keeping Dube and Lucic together (and Dube at C) than about Monahan. What he hasn’t tried is Monahan on Dube’s wing (and maybe taking the harder faceoffs).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Nylander seems all motivation issue for me. No way a kid that showed his talent in mens leagues as a teenager could just fall so flat for skill reasons.

I would have given him a shot. We have swedes, he's a calgarian, and he's a right handed shot.

The year Nylander scored 27 points as a 19 year old in the AHL, Rasmus scored 39 as a 20 year old (and Oliver scored 35).

[bax]

Originally Posted by talladega.25

I feel the Flames could have come up with a similar offer. But hey Ritchie and Pittlick are game breakers so we don't the extra skill

Extra skill? Nylander isn’t even an NHL player at this point.

Our farm team alone has 6 forwards and 3 dmen producing at a better clip than him.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Knut

Alex Nylander is not a Sutter player whatsoever.

I heard that about Johnny as well.

[talladega.25]

Still has 32pts in 84 NHL games playing on dusty teams. His AHL numbers are lower because Nylander and Reichel are the only offensive talent on that Rockford team.

Pittlick has 86pts in 334 games and Ritchie has 68pts in 310. Swapping one of those guys for someone with a hint of upside was my argument.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by talladega.25

Still has 32pts in 84 NHL games playing on dusty teams. His AHL numbers are lower because Nylander and Reichel are the only offensive talent on that Rockford team.

Pittlick has 86pts in 334 games and Ritchie has 68pts in 310. Swapping one of those guys for someone with a hint of upside was my argument.

more to hockey than points...especially for a 3rd/4th liner

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I would think they grab Toffoli to play with Monahan. The guy needs someone to play with. Coleman-Monahan-Toffoli could be a pretty good line.

You are not wrong there but when you look at the current and future structure of the team it doesn’t make sense.

The Flames simply cannot afford to acquire another high cap hit without sending one out unless they are prepared to lose 1 or more of Gaudreau/Mangiapane/Tkachuk.

Those 3 games layer require I think a minimum of $7M to extend each ($2M+ for Gaudreau and Tkachuk, $3M for Mangiapane) even then I would be shocked to see Johnny sign sub 9M or Mangiapane sign under 5.5M and why would Tkachuk sign long term for his QO? I think he would want more money to extend or he will just take the QO and maximize his value in the open market in a year.


It reminds me of 2019 when Mark Stone seemed like the perfect fit but there was no way of signing him unless the Sens took Frolik and/or Neal as cap dumps. Flames are in the same spot now. If they want to add a list layer who can be a long term piece I think Monahan at minimum needs to go. Otherwise we are just looking at rentals and Hoping our stats sign for less

[talladega.25]

Originally Posted by dino7c

more to hockey than points...especially for a 3rd/4th liner

You're so correct captain obvious.. like what was I even thinking. You should coach in the NHL or something

[djsFlames]

Hopefully these three games drives home to Treliving what he needs to do/add to this team for them to have even a remote chance of doing some damage later.

Edit: Whether he acts on that knowledge... is another deal. Could be another case of coming "close" on another solution up front, since he hasn't sealed a meaningful transaction in quite some time.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by talladega.25

You're so correct captain obvious.. like what was I even thinking. You should coach in the NHL or something

just keep digging

player isn't very good...your take was bad.

Every single trade "flames could have made that offer"

Nylander doesn't improve the team at all

[talladega.25]

Originally Posted by dino7c

just keep digging

player isn't very good...take was bad

Almost as bad as your signature (I WAS WRONG ABOUT KYLINGTON). I can only hope to strive to your level of opinion and insight when it comes to analyzing players...

[cowtown75]

If we could just get Pavelski out of Dallas, that would be my number one wish. RS Center, experienced and productive. I think it could solve a couple of problems on this team and I don't think Dallas is going to make it out of their division into the playoffs this year.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Nylander sounds like a Nylander v.2

[Harry Lime]

Philly loved Tyler Pitlick when he was there, and played his best hockey. I can't find a single player on the bottom half of their roster worth targeting, but considering that they are picking up waiver players to fill the roster, the Flames might be able to recoup a 5th, and open up some cap space. He's a good player under the right circumstances, but for the role the Flames need him for Richardson and Lewis have outplayed him.