[OOT] January 3, just one game.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Sure, but my guess is that there may be three or four coaches on earth that could will the two divas to listen. There is not a single available coach who will make a lic of difference for that awful team. Not one.

Darryl had proven he is able to turn talented players into excellent winners.

Different level but watch Johnny this season.

Night and day difference!

That’s all Darryl.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by timbit

Darryl had proven he is able to turn talented players into excellent winners.

Different level but watch Johnny this season.

Night and day difference!

That’s all Darryl.

Exactly. Now, how many other coaches out there can do the same thing?

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Exactly. Now, how many other coaches out there can do the same thing?

Very very few.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Sure, but my guess is that there may be three or four coaches on earth that could will the two divas to listen. There is not a single available coach who will make a lic of difference for that awful team. Not one.

Short of Quenneville, probably true. Torts would overdo it and there’d be a revolt. Vigneault - I thought he was good but he sure wasn’t the answer in Philly.

But wait until they give GG his shot.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Member when the Flames came into MSG and stomped the Rangers 5-1? Pepperidge Farms members!!

But what you forget is that they laid down for us.

Everybody knows how teams lay down for us and save their Stanley Cup winning performances for the mighty Oilers.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Sure, but my guess is that there may be three or four coaches on earth that could will the two divas to listen. There is not a single available coach who will make a lic of difference for that awful team. Not one.

It won’t make a difference. These coaches (as McLellan and his staff was too) have been overruled by a meddling executive trying to run the team like it’s 1985, who has told those two players separately and outside of the locker room, that they are special and can win games with their talent alone…so embrace it, and do what you feel like as long as you are able to produce points. And the coaches have been told to just let those two guys play.

Hall got the same pep talk which was overruling Eakins (recall the water bottle squirt).

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Sure, but my guess is that there may be three or four coaches on earth that could will the two divas to listen. There is not a single available coach who will make a lic of difference for that awful team. Not one.

On sentence 1, I don’t think it’s a coach issue. Only in an organization where the coach has autonomy from / support of executive management would that be possible.

Agreed on sentences 2 and 3 due to the above observation

The stink starts at the top

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Short of Quenneville, probably true. Torts would overdo it and there’d be a revolt. Vigneault - I thought he was good but he sure wasn’t the answer in Philly.

But wait until they give GG his shot.

Barry Trotz? Gerard Gallant?

[Eric Vail]

It seems like superstars need a coach who is truly in charge. In the 80s, Gretzky and gang were ruled by Sather who truely was the big bitch in Edmonton and everyone knew it. When Crosby broke in, he lived with Lemieux who directed him in what it took to be a winner.

In Edmonton, McDavid has been the king the entire time and no coach could make life uncomfortable for him without getting fired. No coach will ever get that support by Katz, Lowe, and company, so he has no chance of success there. When Gretzky left Edmonton, he never really had team success, because no one really ever knew who was in charge. Was it the GM? Was it the coach? Was Wayne allowed to bring in his old buddies and dictate the direction of the team? It sure seemed that way.

If McDavid forces a trade, eats some humble pie, goes to a team with some established veterans and a strong coach, he could learn to be part of a winner. I am not sure he will ever do that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timbit

Barry Trotz? Gerard Gallant?

Those guys have jobs. I was only talking available coaches. That said, probably only Trotz. IMO Gallant is overrated.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

It seems like superstars need a coach who is truly in charge. In the 80s, Gretzky and gang were ruled by Sather who truely was the big bitch in Edmonton and everyone knew it. When Crosby broke in, he lived with Lemieux who directed him in what it took to be a winner.

In Edmonton, McDavid has been the king the entire time and no coach could make life uncomfortable for him without getting fired. No coach will ever get that support by Katz, Lowe, and company, so he has no chance of success there. When Gretzky left Edmonton, he never really had team success, because no one really ever knew who was in charge. Was it the GM? Was it the coach? Was Wayne allowed to bring in his old buddies and dictate the direction of the team? It sure seemed that way.

If McDavid forces a trade, eats some humble pie, goes to a team with some established veterans and a strong coach, he could learn to be part of a winner. I am not sure he will ever do that.

I generally agree, though Crosby dictated coach firings in his time.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Those guys have jobs. I was only talking available coaches. That said, probably only Trotz. IMO Gallant is overrated.

Gallant has overachieved with the Rangers and done a great job of developing their young players.
He was pretty darn good in Vegas, also. Florida, as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timbit

Gallant has overachieved with the Rangers and done a great job of developing their young players.
He was pretty darn good in Vegas, also. Florida, as well.

He was fired pretty quickly in both Vegas and Fla, and I don’t think he’s really overachieving with the Rangers. They have a good team now, with Panarin, Fox, Kreider, Zibanejad, and he’s getting good goaltending.

I don’t think he’s at the level of Trotz or Sutter, especially when it comes to motivating elite players.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He was fired pretty quickly in both Vegas and Fla, and I don’t think he’s really overachieving with the Rangers. They have a good team now, with Panarin, Fox, Kreider, Zibanejad, and he’s getting good goaltending.

I don’t think he’s at the level of Trotz or Sutter, especially when it comes to motivating elite players.

Look at his career record. Better than you think.

[DeluxeMoustache]

There is a delicious irony here

Steve Yzerman did exactly what McDavid needs to understand is required
Yzerman’s transformation was complete under Devellano and Bowman and they won a Cup before Holland became GM
Holland was subsequently Yzerman’s GM.
Yzerman was in line to be GM in Detroit one day, but Holland wasn’t ready to be ‘promoted’
Yzerman went to Tampa and built the team that won 2 Cups
Holland moved on to Edmonton, and Yzerman went to Detroit
McDavid learns nothing, because it’s not who, it’s what. They don’t get it

Edmonton:
DNA = Do not appreciate

Basically, in terms of winning and transformation, the Oilers don’t get it. Bringing in Holland, who lets McDavid be young Yzerman but brings in long in the tooth Keith

####ing hilarious. What a #### show

[Rutuu]

Some excellent posts on culture.

...and what a few posters are saying is exactly why the NHL pulling out of the Olympics is perfect.

It's was going to be a McCanada story line on the world's biggest stage...with all the right veterans leading the way and showing McDavid what it takes to win.

Numerous players have come back from an Olympic stint with Team Canada and found another gear. McDavid is missing a golden opportunity...same with Draisatl, as he had a chance to play a kopitar role with Germany.

Maybe in four years...

[getbak]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

There is a delicious irony here

Steve Yzerman did exactly what McDavid needs to understand is required
Yzerman’s transformation was complete under Devellano and Bowman and they won a Cup before Holland became GM
Holland was subsequently Yzerman’s GM.
Yzerman was in line to be GM in Detroit one day, but Holland wasn’t ready to be ‘promoted’
Yzerman went to Tampa and built the team that won 2 Cups
Holland moved on to Edmonton, and Yzerman went to Detroit
McDavid learns nothing, because it’s not who, it’s what. They don’t get it

Edmonton:
DNA = Do not appreciate

Basically, in terms of winning and transformation, the Oilers don’t get it. Bringing in Holland, who lets McDavid be young Yzerman but brings in long in the tooth Keith

####ing hilarious. What a #### show

Steve will help him figure it out once Holland completes Mission McDetroit and trades McDavid to the Wings (then, gets fired for making such a bad trade and goes back and takes a cushy executive job with the Wings).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by getbak

Steve will help him figure it out once Holland completes Mission McDetroit and trades McDavid to the Wings (then, gets fired for making such a bad trade and goes back and takes a cushy executive job with the Wings).

It all makes sense now.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by timbit

Look at his career record. Better than you think.

I did look at his record. It's similar to a lot of coaches who are good but not what is needed there. Look at McLellan's record before going there.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by timbit

Overall depth issues aside...

He is most definitely the problem, if he is not willing to address the lackluster willingness of his top two players to play a 200 ft game.

It’s called leading by example.

Originally Posted by timbit

Darryl had proven he is able to turn talented players into excellent winners.

Different level but watch Johnny this season.

Night and day difference!

That’s all Darryl.

First of all, I agree 100%

But I find your comments interesting because, when some of us were calling for Ward's head, you refused to blame the coach and said it is entirely up to the players.

Nothing wrong with changing your opinion (in fact, it's a good thing), just interesting to see. And fun to give you a bit of a poke for it