Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I hope Johnny stays and signs long term. He is the most dynamic and important player since Iggy. He sells tickets.

Do I think he tests the market? Yes. He's likely a top 10 offensive player in the league and teams are going to be willing to fling money at him.

What I don't understand though, is Flames fans are are so afraid he's going to bolt to Philly. Of the hundreds or thousands of players over the past 10-20 years, how many players wanted to bolt home in FA? They bolt toward the money, and in the cap era, they bolt to the team that can afford them. Alternatively, he's said many times he enjoys Calgary so maybe, just MAYBE, he stays here unless someone offers him insane money.

I think people were worried that he wanted to play in Philly badly so he’d be more likely to refuse any extension at all. If he tests the market, yeah, he goes where the money is. I think the teams that offer him a good spot are more limited than people think though. You need a team with cap space, that plans on contending over the next 3 years or so, who needs a LW.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Johnny Hockey is going to get PAID if he stays, he is having his best year as a flame in my eyes. Not a liability out there and is basically responsible for team offense more games then not.



Once again a swing and miss by Brad. It sounds crazy but hes gonna have to pay him SUBSTANTIALLY more then what he could have got him for a year ago. I'm talking a Milan Lucic more.

He couldn't sign him 1 year ago.

With the information you had this summer, would you have paid him as an elite NHL player for 8 years? He put up a .85 ppg pace in the last 2 years and there were/are serious questions about playoff performance.

The thing is, I don't think there was a discounted rate this summer. I think Gaudreau saw himself turning a corner, felt a synergy with Sutter, saw what he was capable of with new linemates and said I'm betting on myself.

No, I do not think they have a deal done in a drawer, but I think a lot of the reasons that Gaudreau bet on himself are the same ones that are going to keep him here. I also think there is more than enough mutual interest to get it done. I'm glad Treliving didn't panic and trade him in some terrible Hanowskiyan futures deal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Major Major

He couldn't sign him 1 year ago.

With the information you had this summer, would you have paid him as an elite NHL player for 8 years? He put up a .85 ppg pace in the last 2 years and there were/are serious questions about playoff performance.

The thing is, I don't think there was a discounted rate this summer. I think Gaudreau saw himself turning a corner, felt a synergy with Sutter, saw what he was capable of with new linemates and said I'm betting on myself.

No, I do not think they have a deal done in a drawer, but I think a lot of the reasons that Gaudreau bet on himself are the same ones that are going to keep him here. I also think there is more than enough mutual interest to get it done. I'm glad Treliving didn't panic and trade him in some terrible Hanowskiyan futures deal.

A lot of people don’t realize this.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Nope because it is merely fantasy by fans to try and feel better about the reality of a situation that doesn't look like it is on par with their wishes.

I’ve said this before, but it seems possible that Gaudreau has told Tre he wants to re-sign in the offseason after he has a chance to bounce back from last season. Hence, no signed contract as the dollar figure is TBD. To me that makes sense for the player and the team - not to mention there are no reports the Gaudreau wants to leave and multiple reports that he wants to stay.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I dislike all this negative vs positive talk. It's an unnecessary divide that gets tossed around too much by those that want positive feelings, imo. And maybe it's a difference in where people get the positivity in sport.

Maybe it's just me, but I value message board discussion but don't get mad or happy based on what people are saying, for me it's all about the on ice product. 100 people can say the team sucks on here, including me, but if I turn on the game I'm cheering for a win and excited if they do win.

I don't know, maybe I just see it differently. I tend to just speak dispassionately and matter of factly towards Flames topics online, which leads to a "negative" label by Bingo and others, but I really don't feel the same way in real life while cheering. I'm just drinking beer, laughing and hoping they win it all. But I would never try to will the team to be better than I think it is through online discussion, and I feel that many do actually require positive discussion here to help with their overall Flames vibes, and maybe that's the difference.

If was to rank what drive me nuts, being negative isn't all that high on the list compared to other things like ...

1. Those that label others that don't agree with them
2. Those that insult others to make their opinions look better
3. Those that phrase things in a way where there can only be one correct opinion

If people want to believe Gaudreau is leaving that's up to them.

I only have an issue when they take it upon themselves to make sure those that have hope and think differently are taken down.

[Canada 02]

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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

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Cause last time, Treliving cornered Johnny into a cheap contract

This time, he gets paid or he leaves

My guess is whatever Treliving offered so far is so inadequate that they don’t even talk anymore.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I’ve said this before, but it seems possible that Gaudreau has told Tre he wants to re-sign in the offseason after he has a chance to bounce back from last season. Hence, no signed contract as the dollar figure is TBD. To me that makes sense for the player and the team - not to mention there are no reports the Gaudreau wants to leave and multiple reports that he wants to stay.

I agree that Johnny will resign if the price is right. But I don’t think anyone other than Johnny will like that price.


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[Strange Brew]

Maybe Gaudreau actually values winning and is waiting to see what this team can do in the playoffs before signing what will amount to a retirement contract?

That puts the pressure on.

[Johnny Makarov]

This is karma for all the Gaudreau whiners the past 2-3 years. We didn't deserve him.

He IS the offence on this team and if he is gone we are totally effed.

"Little Johnny" is going to get $11mil+/year. lol

[TheChief]

I'm having a hard time digging up info for when Gaudreau could have technically been allowed to extend with the team.



Looks to be July 1 of last year (July 28 his limited NTC kicked in). I'm sure Brad has been negotiating with the agent for longer then that. Obviously at some time in that month Gaudreaus camp decided to place a bet on themselves, and its looking like its going to pay off in a big way.



We will never know what the Flames have been offering, or what Gaudreaus camp may have been thinking but one thing is certain...if he keeps up with what hes doing he will be the Teams MVP this year and get paid handsomely by someone...Hopefully its the Flames.

[Bingo]

He's improved his stock.

He's playing great.

But I'm really concerned about years 6-8 on the contract. That has never changed.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I agree that Johnny will resign if the price is right. But I don’t think anyone other than Johnny will like that price.


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Probably… although I think most fans would be ok in the 10m range, which is where I think it lands. My main point has been that just because Tre wasn’t able to sign Gaudreau this offseason, which he no doubt wanted to, that he has somehow bungled this.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Johnny Hockey is going to get PAID if he stays, he is having his best year as a flame in my eyes. Not a liability out there and is basically responsible for team offense more games then not.



Once again a swing and miss by Brad. It sounds crazy but hes gonna have to pay him SUBSTANTIALLY more then what he could have got him for a year ago. I'm talking a Milan Lucic more.

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Cause last time, Treliving cornered Johnny into a cheap contract

This time, he gets paid or he leaves

My guess is whatever Treliving offered so far is so inadequate that they don’t even talk anymore.

Make no mistake, wherever Guadreau signs, he is going to get PAID.

I would like to hear where this insistence that the Flames are going to have to go over and above what any other team is willing to pay to sign Gaudreau is coming from. Has he, or his representation, given any indication that this will be the case? Is there bad blood between the organization and Gaudreau?

Some of the things you guys tell yourselves is pretty comical.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He's improved his stock.

He's playing great.

But I'm really concerned about years 6-8 on the contract. That has never changed.

If he ages anything like Patty Kane who plays a similar style game, shouldn’t be too bad. Wishful thinking.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Make no mistake, wherever Guadreau signs, he is going to get PAID.

I would like to hear where this insistence that the Flames are going to have to go over and above what any other team is willing to pay to sign Gaudreau is coming from. Has he, or his representation, given any indication that this will be the case?

Some of the things you guys tell yourselves is pretty comical.

Well, they do have to compete with taxation in some places. But they can offer the extra year if they want. And I suppose if all other things are equal, where he and his wife want to live is a big factor. Which means either Philly or here, IMO.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Bingo

He's improved his stock.

He's playing great.

But I'm really concerned about years 6-8 on the contract. That has never changed.

I wouldn't be. He's worth the risk. He's a superstar. A step back and he's still good. Not like a skinner risk.

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[TheoFleury]

Honestly think Johnny has 700-800 points left in him. We need to take the risk and overpay. Better than the death by a 1000 cuts strategy with average players. We are looking at the potential future franchise leader in points here. Eventual jersey retirement. Just get it done

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[TheoFleury]

It's time to get Johnny to rw though. I think he would excel there with his cerebral vision and better shooting angles

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

It's time to get Johnny to rw though. I think he would excel there with his cerebral vision and better shooting angles

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Off wing has better shooting angles for some shots, and not for others (especially short side).