Judge overturns nomination of Calgary MP Anders

[Bobblehead]

It would be up to his riding association to give him the boot, but that is where the "improprieties" occurred.

Although I would have thought the national party should have recognized this and straightened it all out last fall. Instead it appears they tried to sweep under the carpet (by not taking any action).

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by kevman

...and whats that?

See what rubecube said. People will vote in a monkey if it were running. They either stick with "their party" or don't know anything about their candidate but vote for them anyways.

[Cerebral]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

That's all well and good, but this is a special case. The guy is an idiot. Even the conservatives know it.

Personally, I could not vote for a guy like this, even if he was wrapped in the company flag. I'd rather not even vote than elect someobdy I knew was a fool.

A vote for Anders doesn't illustrate anyone's intelligence. It may not necessarily mean they are dumb, but it sure doesn't mean they are smart.

I should mention, my friend was the one who started the VoteOutAnders campaign and my girlfriend worked on the campaign as well.

I think Anders is a complete idiot but I fully understand why people vote for him (and why they'll continue to vote for him if they get the chance).

[Ashartus]

I guess I'll have to go out and buy a party membership so I can vote for whoever goes against him in the nomination meeting (presuming they don't botch things again). Really the only way to get him out is throug the party nomination - my cat could run for the Conservatives in this riding and win (and probably do a better job as an MP...).

[troutman]

He will win again unless people get organized.

[Kjesse]

Even if there's a new nomination meeting, there is nothing requiring the party leader to grant the candidacy to the winner of the nomination vote.

Each party (Conservative, Liberal, NDP, Block) has a constitution that allows the leader to appoint candidates. You see that power used most often where a party wants more diverse representation (minorities, women, sometimes even prominent candidates).

The real story will be, if a new nomination is held, Anders loses, and Harper names him the candidate anyway.

I'm in Calgary West and I'm going to buy a membership and vote at the nomination for whomever has the best chance of beating Anders.

Hopefully the candidate coming forward is better qualified than the last one they put forward.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Good example of my voting philosophy of "party before the person." Though he certainly put that to the test. I used to live in his riding so I had no choice to vote for him if I wanted to support the CPC party. Guy's a total ######bag, but as long as all he does is throw his hand up during voting period in parliament then whatever. He'd probably be more effective less a mouth, but you can't be too picky...

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by fotze

Rob Anders is ######ED, thats right I said ######ED. PC's will be ######ed until he is gone.

Agree, I'm not too much of an idealogue so I often vote for the man before the party. One of my thoughts is that the candidate is a reflection of the party so as long as the Conservatives have candidates like Anders, even though I live in B.C., it'll be hard to get my vote.

As for some of you saying you have 'no choice', that's even more ######ed.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Delgar

The real story will be, if a new nomination is held, Anders loses, and Harper names him the candidate anyway.

I guess I don't see that as very likely. What would Harper have to gain from that? Nobody wants a loose cannon on their ship--I think Harper realizes that with Anders running, an otherwise safe seat for the Tories may suddenly be in play. If anything, he might name someone else even if Anders wins.

[Cal-Gal]

I think the real story here is that we are very likely weeks away from another federal election cycle. Considering the judge has ruled that Anders' nomination is invalid, it means he cannot 'technically' be the candidate of record for the Tories in Calgary West. The riding association must hold another nomination to select a candidate.......problem is nominations take a long time to run - there has to be a new nomination committee set up by the EDA, candidates have to come forward, get signatures, file nomination papers, get approved by the party, the membership has to be made aware of the date of a nomination vote (something like 14-21 days in advance *I think*), and then there has to be a vote.

If this procedure isn't followed (or with a limited time frame CAN'T be followed) either a) the Conservative Party will have no candidate to run in Calgary West for the federal election, or b) Harper will appoint someone to run in the riding.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Cal-Gal

I think the real story here is that we are very likely weeks away from another federal election cycle. Considering the judge has ruled that Anders' nomination is invalid, it means he cannot 'technically' be the candidate of record for the Tories in Calgary West. The riding association must hold another nomination to select a candidate.......problem is nominations take a long time to run - there has to be a new nomination committee set up by the EDA, candidates have to come forward, get signatures, file nomination papers, get approved by the party, the membership has to be made aware of the date of a nomination vote (something like 14-21 days in advance *I think*), and then there has to be a vote.

If this procedure isn't followed (or with a limited time frame CAN'T be followed) either a) the Conservative Party will have no candidate to run in Calgary West for the federal election, or b) Harper will appoint someone to run in the riding.

There are a lot of ways around this though; parties always "parachute" candidates into ridings to cover all 308 seats. (In other words someone from one riding will allow his name to stand as the candidate so that they are fielding a full slate even though that person does not live in that riding and doesn't really campaign). Even with a spring election there is plenty of time to get another nomination process completed and run a credible campaign.

Rubecube, sorry about the confusion, I didn't mean to imply that you were pro-Anders or anything like that!

[eazyduzzit]

I support Anders vote on the Mandela thing.

Simply for the reason i had a cousin killed in one of the MK attacks in Pretoria. Even though he was in prison at this time, he was responsible IMO for organizing this group and rallying it's support, Damn communists.

flame away.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by eazyduzzit

I support Anders vote on the Mandela thing.

Simply for the reason i had a cousin killed in one of the MK attacks in Pretoria. Even though he was in prison at this time, he was responsible IMO for organizing this group and rallying it's support, Damn communists.

flame away.

Mandela may have been a figurehead, but that indefensible apartheid should take the blame for everything that happened.

[eazyduzzit]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Mandela may have been a figurehead, but that indefensible apartheid should take the blame for everything that happened.

So blame the States for all deaths caused by Al Quada in Iraq?

Nice logic.

I'm not denying the segregation was wrong...but still.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by FlamesAllTheWay

Good example of my voting philosophy of "party before the person." Though he certainly put that to the test. I used to live in his riding so I had no choice to vote for him if I wanted to support the CPC party. Guy's a total ######bag, but as long as all he does is throw his hand up during voting period in parliament then whatever. He'd probably be more effective less a mouth, but you can't be too picky...

A prime example of the foolish ideology that runs rampant in this city.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by eazyduzzit

So blame the States for all deaths caused by Al Quada in Iraq?

Nice logic.

Laugh. Nice try.

Apartheid was a criminal and inhuman policy. It's too bad that innocent people had to die, but all the bad things that happened begin and end with that ######ed system.

Originally Posted by eazyduzzit

I'm not denying the segregation was wrong...but still.

But still what?

[eazyduzzit]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Laugh. Nice try.

Apartheid was a criminal and inhuman policy. It's too bad that innocent people had to die, but all the bad things that happened begin and end with that ######ed system.



But still what?

I never denyed that.

It still doesn't excuse the tactics used and the deaths caused.

Still what?

Your responsible for your own actions, you don't blame them on circumstances or other people.

Those members are just as much responsible for there OWN actions as Al Quada operatives are in Iraq, reguardless of who is deemed right and wrong. I'm sure many can make a real good argument for the invalid Iraqi war, but those on the other side causing violence as well are to be held responsible for there own actions and not allowed to simply turn it around on the otherside.

2 wrongs don't make a right?

[moon]

I think that Anders reason for not giving Mandela honorary citizenship was pretty stupid, but can agree with him that Mandela really doesn't deserve the honor.

At the very least I hope this means we will finally be rid of the endless "get rid of Anders/Anders is an idiot" threads.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by eazyduzzit

2 wrongs don't make a right?

I have very little knowledge of what went on in South Africa but I know enought to say that it can't be summed up with a cliche.

Why do you keep bringing al-qaeda up? That is obviously a different issue and totally incomparable to what we are talking about.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by eazyduzzit

I never denyed that.

It still doesn't excuse the tactics used and the deaths caused.

Still what?

Your responsible for your own actions, you don't blame them on circumstances or other people.

Would you say the same thing in regards to collateral damage sustained in the removal of Saddam Hussein?