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Old 12-26-2021, 07:58 PM   #2361
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That might be the worst personal foul call I've ever seen in a game.

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Eh. Above .500 is a decent measuring stick but it doesn't take much of a fan to see that aside from Dallas and SD wins they just thumped on their weak division rivals and squeaked by a Rodgers-less Packers team.

I just cant be convinced that:

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Is a tough schedule whatsoever
Your initial point was they had the softest schedule in the league in that stretch, but they didn't. That might not be a murderer's row of opponents, but....what would be? You seem to be ignoring how mediocre most of the NFL is this year. Literally half the league is between 7-8 and 9-6. There are a few very good teams, a few really crappy teams, and a lot of teams who are basically even.
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Also, Seattle hit rock bottom today.

Home loss to the Bears, with Nick Foles at QB
Gotta think this is the end of the road for Pete.
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Gotta think this is the end of the road for Pete.
He will be 71 next September. It's been a good run but it's probably time to retire. That division isn't going to get any easier and it just seems like the Seahawks are the one team in the division going the wrong way.
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Your initial point was they had the softest schedule in the league in that stretch, but they didn't. That might not be a murderer's row of opponents, but....what would be? You seem to be ignoring how mediocre most of the NFL is this year. Literally half the league is between 7-8 and 9-6. There are a few very good teams, a few really crappy teams, and a lot of teams who are basically even.
I did say 'about' the softest and honestly that was looking at the schedule and their opponents in that stretch, but that was all personal opinion based.
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It didn't look like a soft schedule when they were struggling to beat the Giants. At that point in time, looking forward to today, I'm guessing at best you'd think they'll go 6-2 in that stretch. I might be worried if I was a Chiefs fan and they got back into things by winning a bunch of 38-31 games, but they genuinely appear to have a solid defense now.

Craziest thing about the AFC, speaking of the Chiefs, is they are the only team in the AFC that has clinched a playoff berth, with only the terrible trio being out right now. NFL must be pretty thrilled 12 teams are still alive in just one conference.
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As for the Seahawks and Pete his future is tied to Russ I imagine. If they decide to deal Russ then Pete will retire, if they keep Russ then I suspect Pete runs it back for another try and hopes this year was just everything going wrong. The Seahawks are one of those "not as bad as their record" teams. Their scoring margin for the year is in fact today's margin, -1, despite being 5-10.
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He will be 71 next September. It's been a good run but it's probably time to retire. That division isn't going to get any easier and it just seems like the Seahawks are the one team in the division going the wrong way.
And no 1st rounder next year.

That is not going to help.
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He will be 71 next September. It's been a good run but it's probably time to retire. That division isn't going to get any easier and it just seems like the Seahawks are the one team in the division going the wrong way.
He signed an extension last year for 5 years. Not inconceivable he walks away from that but I doubt it....and last year IMO was worse than this for the team IMO.

Last year he had Wilson trying to run the team on the field and off after a hot start, and when that failed as teams adapted and he didn't, the OC was blamed and Wilson's power play was finally coming to light after years of him nibbling at the edges. It was predicted that Wilson wouldn't last after this year, though I think he was close to leaving last year.

This year Wilson got a patsy OC to run things his way. Things have been tepid at best on the offensive side of the ball. His salary and pushing for players like Antonio Brown and Beckham and trying to force the ball like Metcalf ( two catches today) to turn them into players they aren't, and push the team to get big contracts like Admas, goes to show he thinks he knows more than he does.

Carroll and Schneider put together a team that should've won back to back Superbowls, by getting decent players, cheap, and coaching them up, like the entire Legion of Boom, which set the table for the Superbowls when Wilson came along. Bobby Wagner is one of 3 players in NFL history with 10 or more seasons of 100 tackle years. The year that Wilson's $30M contract kicked in, they never got last the divisional round.

I think PC and JS relish one more shot at building a team. The only way that happens is if the salary, and meddling in affairs that Wilson has taken on the last few years, has to leave the building. It got ugly last offseason with the trade list, and hopefully it occurs quickly and without dramatics this offseason. There's just took much bad blood and back and forth between Wilson and the franchise and the salary he makes, for a team like PC and JS to operate the way they want. They did get lucky that rookie year of Wilson because they had spent big money on Matt Flynn that offseason to be QB.

They have the money to spend, but the rebuild the need has to have a QB, and key players, that they can coach up like they did 2012-2015. Right now they have a very good QB who makes a lot of money and probably a change is needed for both, and he goes to a team where he just plays football, not tired to be the assistant GM too. Currently Seattle has nothing, a non descript defense with only Wagner and an overpaid safety. 1 decent reliable (but small) reciever (Lockett), no running back of note since Lynch left, and non descript offensive and defensive lines. A total rebuild is needed, but I think PC would love to get that started.
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As for the Seahawks and Pete his future is tied to Russ I imagine. If they decide to deal Russ then Pete will retire, if they keep Russ then I suspect Pete runs it back for another try and hopes this year was just everything going wrong. The Seahawks are one of those "not as bad as their record" teams. Their scoring margin for the year is in fact today's margin, -1, despite being 5-10.
As mentioned I think it goes the other way. Wilson and PC are both "golly gee" guys to the press and public but both very stubborn, and I think the relationship isn't going to really work after these last couple years of infighting for who has the control, and OC will stay and take the challenge of his franchise, and still skilled QB,moves on...but staying together this team isn't going to move forward anytime soon.

Seahawks don't have an identity.The defense was for sure for a half decade, then Wilson after that trying to do it himself (and did) for a couple years after. But last two or three seasons, no way can you point to their idenity, and Wilson, while still great, can't do it all, though he thinks he can.

A running game, by committee, only because they don't have a passing game. Decent linebackers who can't make up for poor secondary and little pass rush. There are some decent players, but not a unifying cohesion, rather a very scattered collection of players, where that previous Seahawks teams and all excellent teams have had an identity, and that must drive Caroll nuts, and I think that elephant in the room is the tension and mistrust between the team, coaches franchise and the QB.

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I just can't see Pete wanting to do a full rebuild, especially since I don't think they need one. I don't look at them and think they are one of the worst rosters in the league as their current record suggests. I think with a good draft or two and smart FA/trade decisions they can be contenders again in two years. I think once you trade Russ you're back into the crapshoot hoping you can find a QB in the later rounds of this draft (no first this year + bad QB draft class), or that you can get a Daniel Jones as part of a trade with the Giants and hope you can salvage him.
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Old 12-26-2021, 11:11 PM   #2372
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I just can't see Pete wanting to do a full rebuild, especially since I don't think they need one. I don't look at them and think they are one of the worst rosters in the league as their current record suggests. I think with a good draft or two and smart FA/trade decisions they can be contenders again in two years. I think once you trade Russ you're back into the crapshoot hoping you can find a QB in the later rounds of this draft (no first this year + bad QB draft class), or that you can get a Daniel Jones as part of a trade with the Giants and hope you can salvage him.

Like today's unnecessary loss, as with ones against WFT and Tennessee, they just don't have it. They aren't a 5-10 team, but at best an 7-8 or 8-7 if Wilson doesn't get hurt, but they aren't really a team that has any swagger and has too many last inexcusable mistakes.

Wilson for better or worse is the leader of this team, in the past it was vets like Chancellor or Bennett, and his leadership was questioned back when heiiked to be turning into a star.

Even if they had a few more wins this year and Wilson didn't get hurt, and still be striking distance of the Rams or Cards, they don't have the team makeup to go anywhere playoff wise.

A full rebuild in my mind with the assumption you have a NFL ready QB to step in. They'd need a steady, legit, running back. Shore up the line. Get a pass rush. Get some bigger and more athletic secondary. That's my definition of a rebuild, and yes that may only be a handful of moves, some luck, and a new team mentality with the changes that need to occur in the room.... which IMO, given the past drama, is more likely to be Wilson departing rather than Carroll, in the short term. But if PC and JS have the cap space afforded to them by getting Wilson off the books, there's a good chance of a lot of moves.
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I just can't see Pete wanting to do a full rebuild, especially since I don't think they need one. I don't look at them and think they are one of the worst rosters in the league as their current record suggests. I think with a good draft or two and smart FA/trade decisions they can be contenders again in two years. I think once you trade Russ you're back into the crapshoot hoping you can find a QB in the later rounds of this draft (no first this year + bad QB draft class), or that you can get a Daniel Jones as part of a trade with the Giants and hope you can salvage him.
Not a great year to have traded your 1st round pick. In fact it's a disaster as they are currently sitting on the 6th overall pick. I just don't think that roster is nearly good enough in that division and to me it looks like Carroll is sliding as a coach as the rah rah stuff just isn't working anymore. Feels like a good time for a house cleaning really.
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Not a great year to have traded your 1st round pick. In fact it's a disaster as they are currently sitting on the 6th overall pick. I just don't think that roster is nearly good enough in that division and to me it looks like Carroll is sliding as a coach as the rah rah stuff just isn't working anymore. Feels like a good time for a house cleaning really.
Wilson has been playing lik garbage. If anyone else without a resume was posting numbers like him they'd get benched. He threw for 181 yards today against the bears. If he doesn't take a sack on the bears 8 yard line they likely make the gimme field goal and win. Part of me thinks he's tanking so they trade him.
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Wilson has been playing lik garbage. If anyone else without a resume was posting numbers like him they'd get benched. He threw for 181 yards today against the bears. If he doesn't take a sack on the bears 8 yard line they likely make the gimme field goal and win. Part of me thinks he's tanking so they trade him.
Raiders are one of his preferred destinations. I'm not a fan of paying a bounty of 1st round picks for him. He's getting close to mid-30 and seems to be declining. If Gruden was still GM I would be fine with it as he was drafting 2nd round players in the 1st round but I would expect the new GM may be a lot more astute.
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If Henry comes back week 18, that would be a tremendous boost to a team that has had trouble generating offense last couple of weeks.
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How big is next week's Bengals vs Chiefs game. I still think the AFC representative at the Superbowl is coming from the AFC South. Playoffs is all about playing good defense and running the ball, especially if you get a crappy weather game.
Well if ever there was a year where we had to watch Carson Wentz or Ryan Tannehill in the Superbowl this might be it. But I don't see either of those guys winning 3 games to get to the Superbowl. So it's more likely if Tennesse can claim the top seed and only need two wins. They'll need to beat proven elite guys like Mahomes or Allen, plus an emerging one in Burrow. Neither one of those teams is a dominating defence like the 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs or even the 2013 Seahawks which will make it more than just running and good defence to win.. Either guy could go on a Flacco like run I suppose. But that's a black swan event that happens one every 20 years type of thing.
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