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Old 12-21-2021, 11:37 AM   #921
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Well I'm going to vent here for a quick moment... So for the past few weeks I've been actively trying to purchase/order a new vehicle. I had my sights set on a 2022 Hyundai Tucson Ultimate PHEV, thought I had an order placed (for delivery in July or August 2022) but was told Hyundai stopped factory orders on the 2022's two days after I had agreed to it... So not looking to wait 10 months on the 2023, I've been searching high and low for other PHEV's... Santa Fe PHEV, Sorento PHEV... all need to be factory ordered and dealerships are taking full advantage of the limited supply and trying to charge premiums or playing games with rates and rebates.... more so than normal. Vehicles I'm told are strict demo's (not being sold) have been sold days later. Was about to put a factory order in on a Sorento yesterday and the dealer started playing games and moving numbers around so I walked away.

I test drove a 2020 Hyundai Ioniq EV (not the Ioniq 5 sadly) last night, which is brand new, and there's a few of them around, not sure why...its nice, lots of tech, although a bit underpowered at speed and has a lower range than newer EV's. I was hoping to move away from a FWD car but it seems if I want to be in a new ride in the next few months it might be my best option. Anyone drive one, or have any experience with the Ioniq?
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Well I'm going to vent here for a quick moment... So for the past few weeks I've been actively trying to purchase/order a new vehicle. I had my sights set on a 2022 Hyundai Tucson Ultimate PHEV, thought I had an order placed (for delivery in July or August 2022) but was told Hyundai stopped factory orders on the 2022's two days after I had agreed to it... So not looking to wait 10 months on the 2023, I've been searching high and low for other PHEV's... Santa Fe PHEV, Sorento PHEV... all need to be factory ordered and dealerships are taking full advantage of the limited supply and trying to charge premiums or playing games with rates and rebates.... more so than normal. Vehicles I'm told are strict demo's (not being sold) have been sold days later. Was about to put a factory order in on a Sorento yesterday and the dealer started playing games and moving numbers around so I walked away.

I test drove a 2020 Hyundai Ioniq EV (not the Ioniq 5 sadly) last night, which is brand new, and there's a few of them around, not sure why...its nice, lots of tech, although a bit underpowered at speed and has a lower range than newer EV's. I was hoping to move away from a FWD car but it seems if I want to be in a new ride in the next few months it might be my best option. Anyone drive one, or have any experience with the Ioniq?
My vehicle is the Ioniq, but just the Hybrid version, but wish I gone with the PHEV version a year ago when I got mine.

The EV version definitely has less range than other options available now, but if you get for a lesser price, and the range works for you, then it’s fine.



Get them to throw in a cargo cover or else everything in your trunk is visible from the outside. I had to get one after the fact.
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Well as I was complaining earlier, my "car hunter" guy found me a Santa Fe PHEV... went for a test drive and put a deposit down... hopefully pick it up Thursday or Friday Merry Xmas to me!
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You could fit a fridge or a washing machine in the box that wouldn't fit in a SUV.
So unless you're a fridge or washing machine delivery person, you're needing that once every 5-10 years?
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So unless you're a fridge or washing machine delivery person, you're needing that once every 5-10 years?
You've totally missed my point, which was not every use case for a truck bed requires a 6 or 8 foot box.
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Old 12-27-2021, 08:24 AM   #926
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You've totally missed my point, which was not every use case for a truck bed requires a 6 or 8 foot box.
And that those use cases are: intermittent major appliance delivery.
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Old 12-27-2021, 08:34 AM   #927
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When a Finnish man was told it would cost him $22K to replace his batteries on his Tesla Model S, he decides to blow up the car instead.

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There are times in life when you have to choose between paying a boatload of money or watching a very big explosion. Well, not really, but Finnish man Tuomas Katainen sure did. Katainen is a 2013 Tesla Model S owner who was told he would have to pay more than $22,600 to replace the battery on his car. For him, it apparently wasn’t worth it, so he decided to team up with a YouTuber to blow up his Model S with 66 pounds (30 kilograms) of dynamite instead.

According to Katainen, his Model S ran “excellent” for the first 932 miles (1,500 kilometers) after he bought it, but then the error codes started to appear. He sent his car to a Tesla dealer’s repair shop, where it remained for about a month, and was told they couldn’t do anything for his car. His only option would be to replace the entire battery, which would cost more than $22,600, and he would have to ask Tesla permission to carry out the repair.

To put this in perspective, $22,600 would go a long way to buying another used 2013 Model S in Finland, which appear to sell for more than $42,900. But Katainen decides that’s not for him, proving that there is indeed a thin line between logic, rage, and insanity.


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And that those use cases are: intermittent major appliance delivery.
I'm.guessing you never grew up rural or semi-rural and didn't have the luxury of garbage collection. You'd be going to the dump weekly or at minimum every two weeks. Pretty sure you aren't putting that in the back of your Escalade....
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I'm.guessing you never grew up rural or semi-rural and didn't have the luxury of garbage collection. You'd be going to the dump weekly or at minimum every two weeks. Pretty sure you aren't putting that in the back of your Escalade....
Nope, a wagon with a utility trailer always did the trick
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Hyundai Motor Group abruptly shutters their engine development center

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Hyundai Motor Group has abruptly abolished the Engine Development Center at its R&D Headquarters. It has officially declared its policy not to release new models powered by internal combustion engines anymore.

The group carried out the largest-ever reorganization of its R&D headquarters on Dec. 17. The Namyang Research Institute has 12,000 R&D personnel and is a key organization that serves as the brain of Hyundai Motor Group.
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Not the first to do it and certainly not the last. The writing is on the wall...
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And now this:

Hyundai pauses Genesis hydrogen fuel cell project just days after ending ICE engines

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Hyundai has suspended development of their Genesis hydrogen fuel cell vehicle indefinitely,#according to Chosun Ibo. The news comes hot on the heels of Hyundai#announcing an end to internal combustion engine development.
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Good news for Toyota they are now the lone wolf in the hydrogen game /extreme sarcasm
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Good news for Toyota they are now the lone wolf in the hydrogen game /extreme sarcasm

Isn’t Honda still involved in this area?
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Isn’t Honda still involved in this area?
Last I read the Clarity was deep-sixed.
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Not the first to do it and certainly not the last. The writing is on the wall...
I wonder if we will see automakers go the way of aircraft makers whereby individual component systems will be supplied by 3rd party vendors and vehicle manufactures will concentrate on assembly and only a few key components? No aircraft manufacturer builds it's own engines, or avionics systems.
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I wonder if we will see automakers go the way of aircraft makers whereby individual component systems will be supplied by 3rd party vendors and vehicle manufactures will concentrate on assembly and only a few key components? No aircraft manufacturer builds it's own engines, or avionics systems.
It's called the skateboard platform.
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I wonder if we will see automakers go the way of aircraft makers whereby individual component systems will be supplied by 3rd party vendors and vehicle manufactures will concentrate on assembly and only a few key components? No aircraft manufacturer builds it's own engines, or avionics systems.
This is almost the way out is in vehicle manufacturing. There are tens of thousands of third party vendors for most of what makes every car.

Where the disruption is coming is precisely this area. A combustion engine has hundreds if not thousands. An electric motor has a couple dozen parts. This will put potentially millions it of work as many smaller businesses make these parts and supply them to the automobile industry
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This will put potentially millions it of work as many smaller businesses make these parts and supply them to the automobile industry
One thing that gets glossed over is the sheer amount of jobs worldwide that will be lost once all automakers go EV. Ontario for example will be hit hard.
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One thing that gets glossed over is the sheer amount of jobs worldwide that will be lost once all automakers go EV. Ontario for example will be hit hard.
Alternatively, the expected new jobs due to EV transition (infrastructure, parts manufacturing, etc) is expected to be higher than net losses. But as it's always seen in these large disruptions, the old jobs aren't necessarily transferable to new jobs
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...la-2022-01-03/

Electric cars made up nearly two thirds of Norway's new sales in 2021, with Tesla the top selling automobile brand overall, as the country pursues its goal of becoming the first to end the sale of petrol and diesel cars.

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Overall new sales in Norway rose by 25% in 2021 to a record 176,276 cars, of which 65% were fully electric. This market share was up from 54% in 2020.
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