[News Roundup] CSEC/City arena deal UPDATED: Third Party Facilitator

[Torture]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Thank you for this.

This is very realistic. The city is 90% bureaucratic, not responsive to small business and always involved in Ascent of taxes.

When it comes to any issue they are involved they employ the top law firm in Calgary at taxpayer expense. So you cannot hire a better team to combat them.

People are blind.

I...don't think kermitology was making the point you think he was making.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sec214

13500 BTC to buy the Flames, that should do it.

Will they accept Dogecoin?

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by Torture

I...don't think kermitology was making the point you think he was making.

No that is the point.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Pike gets a mention in Friedman's 32 thoughts about his coverage. Well done sir! That's bucket list sh** right there.

[Manhattanboy]

I like how those who consistently tell CSEC to f off (like White Out and others) assume the owners are moving forward without risk.

Who knows what the landscape will look like in Calgary post-pandemic given inflation, the downtown vacancy rate (actual near 50%) and a much changed energy sector? And on top of very little playoff success for this franchise.

Hell with 25 year plus STHs like me sitting out the season because of COVID and not sure I will even renew given the uncertainty regarding seat locations and sight lines in the new building (btw the Saddledome is excellent in that regard), the future of NHL hockey in this town is very suspect to begin with.

[Deegee]

It's bad enough I have to live in Edmonton for work, but if I have to live in Edmonton and have the Flames move over egos I'll be right pissed off.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Thank you for this.

This is very realistic. The city is 90% bureaucratic, not responsive to small business and always involved in Ascent of taxes.

When it comes to any issue they are involved they employ the top law firm in Calgary at taxpayer expense. So you cannot hire a better team to combat them.

People are blind.

Yeah Murray Edwards and CSEC are such a mom & pop operation. Support small business!

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Bunk

The City has a climate resiliency strategy, part of which includes ways in which buildings can reduce their environmental footprint. A lot of those measures are not mandatory, including rooftop solar. Here’s what happened here, since the rooftop is a large surface we asked if they could include rooftop solar. They said they could, but not as a condition of approval, could do if it was a condition of occupancy. This would allow the time to seek a potential partner. We said, ok, that’s reasonable. If they had said no, there is nothing in policy that could enable to us to force them, and we wouldn’t.

What does this mean? Flames will put solar if they feel like it? Someone kindly explain.

[CroFlames]

I thought I would be pissed off.

But kinda idgaf anymore. It’s a weird feeling. If Murray is so proud and thinks the NHL will let him relocate the club, then honestly #### right off and good riddance.

I can watch pro sports on TV, and I can attend tons of amateur sports in Calgary as well. Plus there is pro soccer in Calgary and CFL (for a while anyway).

[iloveicedhockey]

Unless people in here are privy to the detailed contract information, which is probably under an iron clad NDC for the most part, the definitive rulings being made about who's at fault for the breakdown are utter nonsense.

Sad that it's broken down but this won't be the end of it. We all want a shiny new building but let's not pretend one side is holier than thou here.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Unless people in here are privy to the detailed contract information, which is probably under an iron clad NDC for the most part, the definitive rulings being made about who's at fault for the breakdown are utter nonsense.

Sad that it's broken down but this won't be the end of it. We all want a shiny new building but let's not pretend one side is holier than thou here.

Did you not see the Mayor on the news? How is that NDC and code of conduct for contract negotiation.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I thought I would be pissed off.

But kinda idgaf anymore. It’s a weird feeling. If Murray is so proud and thinks the NHL will let him relocate the club, then honestly #### right off and good riddance.

I can watch pro sports on TV, and I can attend tons of amateur sports in Calgary as well. Plus there is pro soccer in Calgary and CFL (for a while anyway).

Stamps wouldn't survive without CSEC I think. CFL is drowning anyways.

[Freeway]

Mayor's comments in her availability were so much clearer than her tweets.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Thanks for the detail. What's the difference between a condition of approval and a condition of occupancy? Why would the Flames agree to one and not the other.

A condition of approval needs to be met prior to City recommending approval. For example, the panels would have to be reflected in the plan. Prior to release is another option, not required prior to approval, but prior to DP release has to be satisfied. Prior to occupancy means that nothing needs to be provided at time of approval or release, but when the City grants occupancy permits, the applicant will have to have satisfied the condition by then. This is a mechanism to buy time if the precise solution is not known at time of approval.

Edit: I’ll just note that Ryan Pike deleted his tweet about the agreement related to cost obligations. I understand referenced transportation costs were not related to the event management plan (City obligation).

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I like how those who consistently tell CSEC to f off (like White Out and others) assume the owners are moving forward without risk.

Who knows what the landscape will look like in Calgary post-pandemic given inflation, the downtown vacancy rate (actual near 50%) and a much changed energy sector? And on top of very little playoff success for this franchise.

Hell with 25 year plus STHs like me sitting out the season because of COVID and not sure I will even renew given the uncertainty regarding seat locations and sight lines in the new building (btw the Saddledome is excellent in that regard), the future of NHL hockey in this town is very suspect to begin with.

Running a business is a risk. No one is making them run it, and citizens shouldn't be on the hook for their business. They got way more than a fair deal from the city. Small businesses are taking risks, why aren't they getting nice deals from the city?

[keenan87]

Bye Bye Flames

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Could CP crowdfund ownership of the flames?? You guys want to own the team?

I have a PlayStation 5. Could I exchange that for the Flames?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Bye Bye Flames

You understand that owners can’t just unilaterally decide to move their team, right?

The NHL has to let them.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Could CP crowdfund ownership of the flames?? You guys want to own the team?

I've got some NFTs I can trade. Basically losing money on the deal, but that's how much I support the team.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by Bunk

A condition of approval needs to be met prior to City recommending approval. For example, the panels would have to be reflected in the plan. Prior to release is another option, not required prior to approval, but prior to DP release has to be satisfied. Prior to occupancy means that nothing needs to be provided at time of approval or release, but when the City grants occupancy permits, the applicant will have to have satisfied the condition by then. This is a mechanism to buy time if the precise solution is not known at time of approval.

Edit: I’ll just note that Ryan Pike deleted his tweet about the agreement related to cost obligations. I understand referenced transportation costs were not related to the event management plan (City obligation).

How can anything be built? We will find out.