Pentagon releases UFO videos

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by troutman

https://radio.seti.org/episodes/skep...entifying-uaps

I don't think it will ever be resolved. It's quite possible that alien visitors have observed Earth and just never wanted to be noticed. I mean, they would in all likelihood have the technology to do it without being noticed if they had the technology to come here at all.

I think if they were visiting Earth, we would likely have no way of knowing, or they wouldn't care if we knew or not, and it would be obvious.

What I have trouble believing is that they would be trying hide and accidentally showing up once in a while, or that they would be playing some kind of hide and seek games.

I think alien technology in the Earth's atmosphere and oceans is a theoretical possibility, but if I had to rank the three main possibilities, it would be:

1. Natural Phenomenon
2. Human Technology
3. Alien Technology

It's fascinating to read about the pros for alien technology even though I am skeptical, so I hope the believers keep posting. Any time I see an Ozy bump in this thread, it's an automatic click for me (and I mean that in a good way).

[Ozy_Flame]

Thanks!

I think the key to focus on in the short-term is what comes out of the government and institutions in terms of progressiveness towards the subject, rather than focusing on simply grainy evidence of photos and iPhone captures.

How government's treat this phenomenon, including NASA, the DNI/Congress, United Nations, Aerospace companies, and academia will be what to watch and where this leads. I'm also greatly anticipating the upcoming launch and usage of the James Webb telescope which may give us some much better scientific direction on this topic. I also tend to see an uptick in media coverage of this topic, as well as willingness to public stories and news from the mainstream. This is a good thing in removing the stigma.

In other words, look for the formation of structure around the topic rather than silver bullet proof - at least for now.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think the idea they are flares is even more far fetched than aliens. Still going with my original thought, optical trick. The spacing is far to consistent and regular to be anything dynamic like a flare.

Well that's a bold statement.

I am all for critical analysis for each proposed theory, but jumping to 'aliens' kind of shoots the whole process down.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Dude, Google bokeh.

Yeah Occam’s Razor is, like any scientific premise, open to clarification. Unfortunately you’re not doing that.

I’m now leaning more towards Fuzz’s theory. It’s plausible as well.

I’ve already explained bokeh and the bokeh effect. Do yourself a favor and google hyperfocal distance and depth of field, because the bokeh effect is negligible at great distances unless massive telephoto lenses are at play. While the video was zoomed in, it was negligible to the means of impacting bokeh, especially since the subject was well within the hyperfocal distance. These images have depth of field in miles, so bokeh is not at work here.

[PepsiFree]

I don't know what those lights are, but what I do know is they either are or are not something I've just become an expert in this morning.

Space in general is pretty fascinating, though. I'm more excited about what we discover further away than we can imagine than having circular arguments about flashes of light, though those can be neat, too.

Imagine what people thought of auroras, pillars, mirages, sun dogs, etc, before there was any understanding of them.

Even if I don't believe UFOs are alien tech, it's pretty cool learning about new things on earth and in space.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think it will ever be resolved. It's quite possible that alien visitors have observed Earth and just never wanted to be noticed. I mean, they would in all likelihood have the technology to do it without being noticed if they had the technology to come here at all.

I think if they were visiting Earth, we would likely have no way of knowing, or they wouldn't care if we knew or not, and it would be obvious.

What I have trouble believing is that they would be trying hide and accidentally showing up once in a while, or that they would be playing some kind of hide and seek games.

I think alien technology in the Earth's atmosphere and oceans is a theoretical possibility, but if I had to rank the three main possibilities, it would be:

1. Natural Phenomenon
2. Human Technology
3. Alien Technology

It's fascinating to read about the pros for alien technology even though I am skeptical, so I hope the believers keep posting. Any time I see an Ozy bump in this thread, it's an automatic click for me (and I mean that in a good way).

This goes against almost every "sighting". Why have your lights turned on if you don't want to be noticed? It's another reason these theories never add up.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well that's a bold statement.

I am all for critical analysis for each proposed theory, but jumping to 'aliens' kind of shoots the whole process down.

I wasn't jumping to "it's aliens" I was jumping to it's more likely to be aliens than flares, meaning I don't think either conclusion is very plausible.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I’ve already explained bokeh and the bokeh effect. Do yourself a favor and google hyperfocal distance and depth of field, because the bokeh effect is negligible at great distances unless massive telephoto lenses are at play. While the video was zoomed in, it was negligible to the means of impacting bokeh, especially since the subject was well within the hyperfocal distance. These images have depth of field in miles, so bokeh is not at work here.

I’m not going to continue this dialog because I’ve changed my mind and think it’s unlikely to be flares. I rewatched the video and the lights are too uniform and you’re right that the depth of field is too wide to introduce noticeable bokeh.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Why have your lights turned on if you don't want to be noticed?

The "lights being on" may not be anything more than an artifact of a propulsion system. Just like we see vapor from the carbon monoxide coming out a tail pipe when its cold, the lights may only come on when certain atmospheric conditions apply.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I wasn't jumping to "it's aliens" I was jumping to it's more likely to be aliens than flares, meaning I don't think either conclusion is very plausible.

Yeah, I misread your post.

None the less, my point stands on a general level: disproving any particular terrestrial theory (the bokeh effect, for example), does not get us one inch closer to 'aliens'.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The "lights being on" may not be anything more than an artifact of a propulsion system. Just like we see vapor from the carbon monoxide coming out a tail pipe when its cold, the lights may only come on when certain atmospheric conditions apply.

Sure, maybe. Maybe the triangle arrangements of lights is needed for propulsion. Maybe these lights all in a straight line are objects flying in formation, and that's the engine signature. Maybe. It just seems almost all encounter events involve lights of some sort, so if aliens didn't want to be observed, why would they leave lights on? it's just another piece that leads to my skepticism.

[Enoch Root]

And if the lights are a propulsion system, why do they disappear? If aliens are driving around, and their ships are visible, we should be seeing them all over the place, and be able to track them.

Is it invisible, or visible?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And if the lights are a propulsion system, why do they disappear? If aliens are driving around, and their ships are visible, we should be seeing them all over the place, and be able to track them.

Is it invisible, or visible?

I'm not suggesting the lights are a propulsion system, but a product of the propulsion system under certain conditions. Again, just like carbon monoxide is a colorless exhaust gas that is generated through internal combustion, and its pretty hard to detect without technology except under conditions of extreme cold, light may be an artifact of the propulsion system in use. Using the CO example, you don't always see it, even when it is cold. The exhaust may be pointed in a different direction. The atmospheric conditions may be such that you don't see the vapor or the vapor dissipates. Lots of reasons for not being able to see the byproduct from something that is happening around us.

If the propulsion system is driven through either a electromagnetic or plasma field, it is likely going to have some form of radiation as its by product or what it leaves as its signature. Radiation is likely that byproduct and most likely to manifest in the form of heat or light. Under the right conditions, the heat may be visible, but under others it disappears. The byproduct may still be there, but we can no longer see it as it is not evident in the visible spectrum. It's why some of these craft are tracked through infrared and not the visible spectrum camera. That would also explain their ability to disappear. Especially if they do rely on warping space to propel the craft.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The "lights being on" may not be anything more than an artifact of a propulsion system. Just like we see vapor from the carbon monoxide coming out a tail pipe when its cold, the lights may only come on when certain atmospheric conditions apply.

[Lanny_McDonald]

^^^ Not sure what that means?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

^^^ Not sure what that means?

Spock is stunned, in not only that you think alien spacecraft are flying in our sky's but that their propulsion systems omit exhaust that look like lights.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Spock would actually be in agreement with my assessment, so please don't lump in Mr. Spock with your lack of understanding of some of this stuff. Also, didn't say they were extraterrestrial. They could be terrestrial, but none of the nation states are claiming being involved in or ownership of tech. One thing we know for certain, all countries report similar stuff and maintain the same level of paranoia in regards to the objects, so we can assume it isn't a country behind the technology.

FYI, some "home made" examples of engines that different interests are pursuing. Many of these technologies have patents registered for them and are in development by various interests around the globe, including NASA and other governments. China is developing a electric plasma jet engine they hope will revolutionize air travel. But examples of propulsion systems and what they look like.

Simple plasma propulsion



Plasma propulsion in action



Plasma engine



Ion thruster



Magnetoplasma compressor



Example of magnetic containment of plasma arc



Weird. Light being a common byproduct of what would be construed as exhaust from each of the processes.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Spock would actually be in agreement with my assessment, so please don't lump in Mr. Spock with your lack of understanding of some of this stuff. Also, didn't say they were extraterrestrial. They could be terrestrial, but none of the nation states are claiming being involved in or ownership of tech. One thing we know for certain, all countries report similar stuff and maintain the same level of paranoia in regards to the objects, so we can assume it isn't a country behind the technology.

FYI, some "home made" examples of engines that different interests are pursuing. Many of these technologies have patents registered for them and are in development by various interests around the globe, including NASA and other governments. China is developing a electric plasma jet engine they hope will revolutionize air travel. But examples of propulsion systems and what they look like.
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Weird. Light being a common byproduct of what would be construed as exhaust from each of the processes.

That's pretty ridiculous. We can't assume anything of the sort.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Really? So a country that is behind this would not only talk about it, but still take defensive action against it's own technology? Because that is what has happened/happening. I guess it's possible, but that would be like the US scrambling jet fighters to pursue a technology in development from Dreamland or Skunkworks. I would think that when this tech was tested by a nation state, they would do so in ways to NOT expose it beyond their sphere of control, let alone talk about it as if it were an incursion by another state, drawing even more attention to the technology. It would be an incredibly stupid strategy to use. But if you think that is how a nation state would act to protect this technology, let's go with that Fuzz.

I guess a good question to ask is, exactly how many countries could undertake a project such as this, with the incredible scope and reach, and manage to afford it, let alone keep it secret?

[Fuzz]

Well the easiest guess is it's the US. It's just baffling to write it off as an option, when it is the most likely one.


Gee, aliens or US military...lemme think...one clearly exists and has done all sorts of incredible technological things, is full of secrets and deception, the other is one of the largest questions in humanity. Occam's razor and all that.