[News] Flames have 20 players, 3 coaches, and 10 support staff in COVID protocol

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GIODUDE

Yes, forcing people to put something in their body they do not want is where I draw the line. keep giving your freedoms up bit by bit and there will be nothing left. I have seen government take control many many many times, I don't know that I have ever seen them give it up. I will say this too, my kids will not receive it. The tiny danger it has shown to be to children does not justify treating my kids like test subjects.

Ok so let’s willingly let people not willing to get something that gives EVERYONE added protection and security while out and about as much freedoms as everyone who was responsible and got the vaccine. If their choice to not get vaccinated endangers countless others than who cares about them and their freedoms, who cares that they took the responsibility to protect themselves for others, if they happen to get it and it passes onto one of their immune compromised loved ones who fricken cares! People who don’t want the vaccine have freedoms don’t ya know!! Like to try and fight this thing with horse dewormers… it’s so beyond stupid I literally think Mike Judge was off by a good 500 years with idiocracy because we are in it as we speak.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GIODUDE

It is very disheartening to see so many people willing to surrender completely to government and big pharma. People have led too comfortable lives for too long. They're walking along the tracks and can't hear the WOOOO WOOOO!

Step away from the conspiracy theories about the government and "big pharma".

[Just a guy]

Heavy Jack, Quick question. How many excess deaths is okay for a vaccine in your opinion? 1 in 1 million? Or rounded up 5 in Alberta. How many cases with GBS is okay with you? You know where people have to learn to walk again if they even can. Is 1 in a million acceptable? What about Bell's palsy? Where the side of your face droops and may not recover. These things are all right if limited to a small number right? Do you know the numbers of these cases?

[GIODUDE]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Did people claim ‘my body my rights’ when polio hit? Even less harsh viruses like measles?? Or did that pull up their sleeves and realize sometimes the world is bigger than them?? Did you get your three kids their initial shots after birth? It’s a hilarious stance anymore. Take social media away through this pandemic and id bet a damn good wager that after all this time the states would be past 60 % fully vaccinated. ‘forced medical procedures’ ??? It’s a ####ing shot and it’s proven to be successful at minimizing risks associated with covid and giving added protection to those who are immune compromised. Ever heard of a thing called civic duty?? But no, all of us 90 percent of Canadians are the ones who are having our ‘minds shaped’ by the media, not the vaccine deniers who are willing take #### like ivermectin which was never designed for humans over a vaccine that has gone through the scientific trials and was built for humans.

Go ahead though and try and double kick my balls for believing in a methodology that’s proven, saves lives and would get us to the finish line on this pandemic a lot sooner than putting up with these pig headed people who sound as stupid as they are being when it comes to this needless debate.

The fact that you said Invermectin is not a medication used for people tells me you should switch the channel from CNN. There are plenty of doctors prescribing it.

Perhaps I would be a little more optimistic if the goals posts weren't constantly being moved. I actually have zero faith that anything would change if even %100 percent of people got vaccinated. Nothing they have told us would end this and has been done has not made anything better. It is actually worse. But keep scapegoating %15 of the population. That is the convenient boogie man the media has set up for you.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Heavy Jack, Quick question. How many excess deaths is okay for a vaccine in your opinion? 1 in 1 million? Or rounded up 5 in Alberta. How many cases with GBS is okay with you? You know where people have to learn to walk again if they even can. Is 1 in a million acceptable? What about Bell's palsy? Where the side of your face droops and may not recover. These things are all right if limited to a small number right? Do you know the numbers of these cases?

Sorry, how many people have died from COVID again? And what is the % of people currently hospitalized and in the ICU are unvaccinated versus vaccinated? I eagerly await your answer.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

Heavy Jack, Quick question. How many excess deaths is okay for a vaccine in your opinion? 1 in 1 million? Or rounded up 5 in Alberta. How many cases with GBS is okay with you? You know where people have to learn to walk again if they even can. Is 1 in a million acceptable? What about Bell's palsy? Where the side of your face droops and may not recover. These things are all right if limited to a small number right? Do you know the numbers of these cases?

… those aren’t contagious.

[Just a guy]

Easy answer, but you didn't answer mine first. What is acceptable to you for these negative outcomes. Don't want to talk about it? Just so you know they pulled the swine flu shot after 50 deaths.

[Erick Estrada]

Can we keep the politics out of the Flames forum? We have a COVID sub-forum for these discussions. Please let's keep this section to hockey as some of us are sick and tired about hearing everyone's opinion on the pandemic and want to talk sports.

[Press Level]

Originally Posted by GIODUDE

It is very disheartening to see so many people willing to surrender completely to government and big pharma. People have led too comfortable lives for too long. They're walking along the tracks and can't hear the WOOOO WOOOO!

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GIODUDE

Yes, forcing people to put something their body they do not want is where I draw the line. keep giving your freedoms up bit by bit and there will be nothing left. I have seen government take control many many many times, I don't know that I have ever seen them give it up. I will say this too, my kids will not receive it. The tiny danger it has shown to be to children does not justify treating my kids like test subjects.

Mis-c, long Covid and severe outcomes from Covid in children are very real, and it makes me sad you are chosing not to protect your children. I feel sad for them.

[Heavy Jack]

Just a guy, is your nickname GIODUDE from time to time? Knightslayer? Puck luck? Curious and inquiring minds would like to know.

Past that yes I’ve heard of the side effects you are citing and yes it’s an unfortunate happenstance of medical sciences but let me ask you if you’re ok with 1200+ Americans dying daily of this in America? Now I know, I know most of the deaths are old people… but there is young that die from this virus as well… what’s your threshold for kids that have died from covid?? What about 30 somethings?

What a stupid argument… you have to be willing to take risks and at the end of the day the risk of the population avoiding vaccinations versus the risks associated to the vaccines being administered id argue aren’t even in the same stratosphere.

[GIODUDE]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Step away from the conspiracy theories about the government and "big pharma".

I am not one of those people who think it is about depopulation, or anything stupid like that. I do think that a lot of powerful people stand to get rich of this stuff and that leads to the blocking of other viable treatments. No I do not trust the media, I have zero reason to. They're all owned by the same shareholders, as are the big Pharm companies. Easy enough to look up. Just follow the money.

[Jason14h]

Anyone who is unvaccinated should be forced to give back any penny the government gave them for Covid relief in any form

You don’t want government intervention - fine . But you
Can’t have it both ways

[manwiches]

Came on here to read about the Flames and COVID, leaving unfulfilled sifting through the PC/White Knights/SmallPeepee brigade posts.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by GIODUDE

Yes, forcing people to put something in their body they do not want is where I draw the line. keep giving your freedoms up bit by bit and there will be nothing left. I have seen government take control many many many times, I don't know that I have ever seen them give it up. I will say this too, my kids will not receive it. The tiny danger it has shown to be to children does not justify treating my kids like test subjects.

I'm not interested in getting into a covid debate, but vaccines have saved hundreds of millions of lives and are proven to be safe and effective.

Keep being selfish and not looking out for the greater good like the generations before us who rolled up their sleeves willingly for the polio, measles and other vaccines.

[GIODUDE]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Just a guy, is your nickname GIODUDE from time to time? Knightslayer? Puck luck? Curious and inquiring minds would like to know.

Past that yes I’ve heard of the side effects you are citing and yes it’s an unfortunate happenstance of medical sciences but let me ask you if you’re ok with 1200+ Americans dying daily of this in America? Now I know, I know most of the deaths are old people… but there is young that die from this virus as well… what’s your threshold for kids that have died from covid?? What about 30 somethings?

What a stupid argument… you have to be willing to take risks and at the end of the day the risk of the population avoiding vaccinations versus the risks associated to the vaccines being administered id argue aren’t even in the same stratosphere.

This is my only account here. It should not be a surprise that more than one person cares about having control of what goes into their body.

This is my only account.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GIODUDE

The fact that you said Invermectin is not a medication used for people tells me you should switch the channel from CNN. There are plenty of doctors prescribing it.

Perhaps I would be a little more optimistic if the goals posts weren't constantly being moved. I actually have zero faith that anything would change if even %100 percent of people got vaccinated. Nothing they have told us would end this and has been done has not made anything better. It is actually worse. But keep scapegoating %15 of the population. That is the convenient boogie man the media has set up for you.

Oh because a doctor prescribed it it’s gotta be great. Take a look at all the doctors who’ve prescribed the states into an opioid pandemic… the vaccine isn’t like medicines prescribed by doctors… it’s something that’s gone through exhaustive clinical and scientific trials and been scrutinized to an immense degree. The way your speaking you seem like you’d be glued to Fox News and proclaim Trump as a fearless leader. Garbage arguments guy; I’m tired of seeing this mind set… which is a minority mindset just so you know… continue to hold the world back. Guess we’ll just have to wait the 10 years of mutations and COVID regulations for it to weed this thinking out.

[Toonage]

Ah man, I said don't feed the troll and y'all went and drove it to a buffet

[GIODUDE]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm not interested in getting into a covid debate, but vaccines have saved hundreds of millions of lives and are proven to be safe and effective.

Keep being selfish and not looking out for the greater good like the generations before us who rolled up their sleeves willingly for the polio, measles and other vaccines.

I am vaxxed. I do not think it should be mandatory, I think it should be a choice.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by GIODUDE

I am vaxxed. I do not think it should be mandatory, I think it should be a choice.

Dude, #### off, nobody cares