2021 Formula 1 Season

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Pit stops (or at least tire changes) should be illegal on yellow flags. It’s that simple.

That’s a good idea too, no stop when safety car or VSC is out. How many times has a mid pack guy pitted this year only to have Safety Car next lap giving rivals a half price stop?

Feels like it happened a bunch.

Take some of the pit stop strategy luck out of the sport.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Red flag, let people change tires, standing start with current grid order of the race when Latifi crashed. Five laps to settle it, fair and square. Seriously Masi, is that so hard?

that would have given the advantage to Lewis...

[powderjunkie]

Whiting oversaw plenty of boondoggles and headscratchers in his time; Masi looks foolish primarily because they've pulled the curtain back.

That job is simply too big. I think it could be split in 2:

Race Director - in charge of technical regulations, track safety, etc - in a sense in charge of the 'teams'

Sporting Director (+ 2 stewards) - track limits, racing incidents (sporting regulations), dealing with whiny team officials - in a sense in charge of the drivers

The 2 stewards adjudicate in great detail and present their decision (or split decision) to the SD for final confirmation or a tie-break vote

Ultimate track authority lies with the race director, but a qualified and consistent 'sporting director' would be better able to make immediate calls on things like giving positions back, etc.

Originally Posted by speede5

But that’s exactly what he did, he forced Hamilton off the track. Dive bomb and make the corner and take the preferred line away, ok, but you shouldn’t take the whole track away from the other driver like that. LH was already turning in and max is still going straight. And on the first friggin lap too. Maybe he just didn’t gaf if they crashed cause then he’d win. That was not a mature move or talented. It was just reckless. Guys like max would benefit so much from a punchin the mouth once in while. It’s too bad everyone’s so bloody proper in f1.

1. The track is over 17 meters wide there (14m excluding kerbs)...he didn't take away the track until he was head...HAM's front wheels were barely ahead of Max' rears.

2. There has always been more lee-way given on the 1st lap. That's in fact the only reasonable explanation for no penalty/position swap to Hamilton. Alonso flaunted that in Sochi, and as usual the FIA did nothing to tighten it up.

3. Leader's advantage to not gaf about a crash. People loved Senna for it. Mixed feelings about Schumi. Max is satan.

4. Nobody would be calling this wreckless if it were 2 midfield competitors. Most races it would be the move of the race. It's almost a shame this incident is so overshadowed as it would be neat to hear more educated takes. All of Brundle, Rosberg, Hill, Button, and the 2 drivers on the F1TV post-race show generally said that Max's move was borderline, but ultimately Hamilton shouldn't have been allowed to take back the place off-track.

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

Pit stops (or at least tire changes) should be illegal on yellow flags. It’s that simple.

On a lot of processional races SCs are the one glimmer of hope to spice up the show. Which isn't necessarily a good thing, but it keeps teams on their toes and strategies alive. Hopefully F1 sorts out the racing issues so gimmicks aren't needed, but SC/VSC/red flag advantages generally come out in the wash in the grand scheme.

Better governance this year and Max would have had an 8+ pt gap to play with this race anyways.

[woob]

It's funny that an aggressive corner like that, where he kept it in the lines, is seen as dirty because Max. Every driver out there, in that same fight, takes that same move a hundred times over. Are we trying to neuter racing now?

I agree, get the ones where they both go wide and apply the rules consistently. But if we want to call that dirty, there are countless other things that would fall under that same classification which should be called dirty as well. I don't want that to happen. I want to see all drivers take a move that they think is there, and if they don't do it cleanly, then I want the stewards to consistently make the call, regardless of if its race leaders or back markers.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

that would have given the advantage to Lewis...

If you are being honest with yourself, you'd understand Lewis had already earned the advantage, and was clearly, unequivocally the faster car that race.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If you are being honest with yourself, you'd understand Lewis had already earned the advantage, and was clearly, unequivocally the faster car that race.

No he didn't Max had passed him on the corner, and Lewis should have slowed down and stayed on the track.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

No he didn't Max had passed him on the corner, and Lewis should have slowed down and stayed on the track.

It's the same old run the guy out of road maneuver, but whatever. Max's tires would have gone, and Lewis would have passed him and never looked back. He was much faster, period. Christian even admitted that.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

No he didn't Max had passed him on the corner, and Lewis should have slowed down and stayed on the track.

Horsefeathers. If Lewis turns in, they have a collision and Max gets a penalty.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’m speechless. What a crazy ending.

It was kind of a joke to only let those 4 cars by for the sake of entertainment but on the other hand, it gave us a lap of pure racing with no DRS and plus, I always think they release the lapped cars way too late and wait way too long before restarting. I think this was closer to what should normally be done. Release them as soon as the danger is cleared and then immediately restart.

The protest of Max passing Lewis is BS in my opinion. Who cares. Cars frequently pull up alongside each other during a SC due to the ebb and flow, warming tires etc.

If Max was ahead on the restart, I’d say protest away but I’m pretty sure he wasn’t.


I’m happy for Red Bull as I’ve been a massive RB fan for years. I still think Max is a dink and wish it was Danny Ric winning with RB.

Also, I hate Jos so much. He’s pure garbage. An abusive, woman beating, child abusing piece of ####.

For passive fans who is Jos?

[speede5]

Max’s father. Ex f1 driver with a checkered personal history.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by vennegoor of hesselink

Amazing, simply amazing.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by speede5

Max’s father. Ex f1 driver with a checkered personal history.

The stories of him verbally and mentally abusing Max are very disturbing. I can’t remember offhand the exact details at the moment but they were textbook obsessed sports father child abuse.



One last thought, what are the chances the 5 backmarkers actually interfere with the restart? I can’t be the only one who thinks they’d just move out of the way for turn 1 and let Max past.

Maybe that still leaves Lewis a decent sized gap but it definitely was not a “race over” scenario imo.

[DoubleK]

I just finished watching the race.

Mercedes got jobbed.

What a joke these last two weeks have been.

[J79]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I just finished watching the race.

Mercedes got jobbed.

What a joke these last two weeks have been.

It's only game. Why you heff to be mad?


Weren't you the one that accused me of wearing orange classes?
You need to get your head out of Toto's whiny's ass and accept the fact that you lost.
Take off your 44 shaped glasses for a change.

This championship only got to the last race because of all the favours Mercedes were getting all season long. Starting from race 1.

A lesser car, a less experienced driver, less money, a lot less luck and a lot (a whole lot) of calls going the wrong way.

That's what Mercedes, toto and Lewis lost to. Fact.

But hey, you still got a chance. Toto will appeal this to his dead.
And probably, somewhere, he will find somebody who agrees with him.

[J79]

Originally Posted by speede5

Max’s father. Ex f1 driver with a checkered personal history.

I'm not sure how to translate this.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The stories of him verbally and mentally abusing Max are very disturbing. I can’t remember offhand the exact details at the moment but they were textbook obsessed sports father child abuse.

I don't think this is correct (not 100% sure)
At least not to the point where you can call it abuse.

Jos does have a reputation of beating up women and drunk driving though.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by J79

It's only game. Why you heff to be mad?


Weren't you the one that accused me of wearing orange classes?
You need to get your head out of Toto's whiny's ass and accept the fact that you lost.
Take off your 44 shaped glasses for a change.

This championship only got to the last race because of all the favours Mercedes were getting all season long. Starting from race 1.

A lesser car, a less experienced driver, less money, a lot less luck and a lot (a whole lot) of calls going the wrong way.

That's what Mercedes, toto and Lewis lost to. Fact.

But hey, you still got a chance. Toto will appeal this to his dead.
And probably, somewhere, he will find somebody who agrees with him.

It's kind of hilarious reading this from someone from the Netherlands, a totally unbiased opinion I'm sure! Your comment feels pretty extreme attacking a poster here for their opinion, which they are welcome to have, and many others agree with.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by J79

And the best part; I never have to watch this ‘sport’ again.
It’s a fake sport. It’s decided by a jury far too many times.

Also, what are you even doing in this thread? It's for people who care about the sport, not blind nationalistic sentiment. Congrats! Your guy won! Now, uh, go away.

[Fuzz]

Hrmm, why is Toto trending on Twitter?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1470378957606465540


oh, well then. Party hard.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The only good thing that could possible come out of this is for Massi to be fired. He's seen over the worst collection of decisions I've ever watched. The finish was a farce. Going for some sort of showdown in the finish, where the guy in the lead has trashed tires was handing the win to Max. Anyone who has watched 5 minutes of racing saw that coming.

But he's so consistent in how he applies the rules. Here he is just over a year ago.

As for the Dutchman and Hamilton complaining about the duration of the Safety Car and their tyres losing heat, Masi said Race Control was following the rules.

“There’s a requirement in the sporting regulations to wave all the lapped cars passed,” he said.

“So from that point it was position six onwards that were still running. Between 10, 11 cars had to unlap themselves.

“And therefore the Safety Car period was a bit longer than what we would have normally expected.”

https://www.planetf1.com/news/michae...el-safety-car/

If I'm reading yesterday's protest result correctly it's basically saying that whilst there is a requirement in the regulations to let them all pass the race director can do whatever the fata he wants and trumps all regulations.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bagor

But he's so consistent in how he applies the rules. Here he is just over a year ago.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/michae...el-safety-car/

If I'm reading yesterday's protest result correctly it's basically saying that whilst there is a requirement in the regulations to let them all pass the race director can do whatever the fata he wants and trumps all regulations.

Ya, that appears to be the case, it just doesn't seem it was ever done before. A lot of strategy goes into F1, so if suddenly the rules are just vague guidelines, how do you plan strategy around that? It's really damaging to the sport.