[PGT] Bruins 4 Flames 2 - Winless Streak Now 4 Games

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Once again....Flames deserved a better fate tonight. Feel like I've said that a ton this season. Lots of chances, not enough finish once again. Think I remember the shots being 7 to 22 at one point and yet the Bruins were somehow up 1-0.

Off the top of my head I'd say that, while the above is true, a LOT of those shots were poor ones...Flames took a lot from 25-45' out, nobody (or not enough) in front...and a lot of them were "one and done", so no rebounds of use and not much after the shot.

They had a few terrific-pressure shifts...but still came out empty-handed. Pressure is no good if you're not blasting crap at the goal; continual pressure along the boards is mostly about getting defenders out of position and Boston didn't give them much that way.

[chummer]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1470068372171681792

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Slanter

Y'know what.... I like the way this team loses. Losing socks, especially at home. But in the long run, I'd be a lot more concerned if this team was routinely being outplayed. That's just not the case this year.

I read this so many times during the first half of the Gulutzan season.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol he didn't quite say that

Was that really what you consider a misrepresentation worthy of ridicule?

Sutter said “The pockets of adversity would be that we didn’t score the first goal and we have had really average goaltending lately.. so if you’re a team that doesn’t have secondary scoring, and you get average goaltending, then you’re up against it”


Unless ‘didn’t quite’ means ‘pretty much’. Darryl didn’t call the team terrible, but the main problems were captured

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

As Darryl said, Treliving built a terrible team with no secondary scoring and Markstrom had some great games but he has also been very average. Many of the games we lost were due to him being the 2nd best goalie like last night.

https://twitter.com/nhlflames/status...663979520?s=21

He did not say that. He said they didn't "...have secondary scoring...", not that Tre built a terrible team. Someone has a narrative?

Edit: beaten to it by DM.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Was that really what you consider a misrepresentation worthy of ridicule?

Sutter said “The pockets of adversity would be that we didn’t score the first goal and we have had really average goaltending lately.. so if you’re a team that doesn’t have secondary scoring, and you get average goaltending, then you’re up against it”


Unless ‘didn’t quite’ means ‘pretty much’. Darryl didn’t call the team terrible, but the main problems were captured

He was talking about the last few games...Flames have had great goaltending overall this season. And he certainly didn't say Tre "built a terrible team"

[DeluxeMoustache]

It was clear that Sutter said the Flames have recently been getting average goaltending. The context was talking about pockets of adversity in the season. Nobody is talking about the goaltending all season long, that’s you

[dino7c]

First game all season the Flames weren't within one goal in the third.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I can't fault the team too much for last night's loss as it's nearly impossible to overcome bad goaltending against a good team like the Bruins.

Only the first goal was a stinker. And it's not like he pulled a Koskinen and let in a bad one in the final five minutes. They had plenty of time to get it back but couldn't. They might have had 42 shots but how many of them were right at Ullmark?

Markstrom wasn't as sharp as he needed to be but this was a team loss.

[dino7c]

They scored 2 goals and one was a garbage time goal...need to score 3 before putting it all on the goalie imo.

He was poor as was the finish, agree team loss.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Ullmark was the difference. He has let in 2 or fewer each of his last 5 starts

It was 1-0, early, on a stinker. Flames pushed a ton and had the shots up to 22-7, Ullmark still holding them off. Then the shots were 22-12 and it was 3-0

The rest of the game was a formality

Team didn’t score enough, goalie let in too many

Boston is a team that plays comfortably in 1-0, 2-1 and 3-2 games, which have been the results of their past 5 entering the game

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...c-11-1.6282719

The Bruins have points in five straight games (3-0-2) and have gone seven consecutive games on the road (6-0-1) without a regulation loss.

"You have to be able to rely on your goalie to come up big if you want to be a good team," said Marchand. "He's got to be able to keep you in it when the other team's putting a lot of pressure on and make the big saves on the kill like he did tonight."

I’ll agree with the posters who aren’t worried, and with Darryl

People thinking the Flames and their goalie were going to sustain their early dominance were getting ahead of themselves. But the team has still played well, and this is a good time to see how good teams win by doing what worked for the Flames earlier. Boston’s checking was good, they play well with the lead

[Psytic]

I agree with the sentiments on the first page. They add a finisher or some scoring punch like a Toffoli at the deadline and they will be fine. They really need to figure out what cap they have to work with / what ballpark Johnny and Chucky are willing to sign at because I don't think they are in a spot to be trading for rentals and should be trying to get players with term to keep building on what they have right now.

[TheChief]

Sutter calls a spade a spade and he is 100% right.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Still not sure how giving $30 million to Coleman was supposed to help with the Flames issues of secondary scoring. Certainly hasn't helped this season.

I hated this the minute it was rumored. Guy coming off a cup and career year, how does he get better? Now we're handcuffed for $5 mill for 5 more years after this season. I feel his contract is going to be worse than Brouwers. Book it.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Blake Coleman might crack 40 points once or twice during his contract with us. If you are expecting him to be the primary helper with the secondary scoring, then you are setting yourself up for failure. We mainly brought him in to help out with a shutdown line like Frolik was with Backlund. He already is playing better than Brouwer ever did for us.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Blake Coleman might crack 40 points once or twice during his contract with us. If you are expecting him to be the primary helper with the secondary scoring, then you are setting yourself up for failure. We mainly brought him in to help out with a shutdown line like Frolik was with Backlund. He already is playing better than Brouwer ever did for us.

Brouwer was expected to produce a little offense and while Coleman has proven not to be a liability on the ice he's getting paid for more than defensive hockey. This isn't Brad's worst contract by any stretch but it's not a great one when you are trying to lock up Gaudreau and Tkachuk long term. Shouldn't have been a priority signing for this team with all the secondary scoring issues the team has. Darryl for crying out loud reminds us all the time about the lack of secondary scoring.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Fattyffat

No way San Jose trades him unless they aren’t close to a playoff spot by the trade deadline.. but Monahan + draft pick for a rental essentially? I’d do it.. we need to clear cap space next season anyway

Assuming SJ decides to move Hertl why would they take Monny with a big cap hit next year in the trade? SJ would like the cap space next year too, perhaps to sign Hertl back.

There would be a huge demand for a Hertl as a rental. The cost would start with a first +, and the quality of the prospect would depend on the demand, but it could be quite high.


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[EVERLAST]

Losing sucks. But....you cannot possibly win them all.
Respectfully to all the posters wanting that one player who'll make the difference ��....ummm....there is no such player.

1 player and it won't make a difference and if you've been paying attention to Darryl he's repeated this so many times in the past I'm surprised it comes up anymore.

This Flames team wins when everyone shows up ....and when certain pieces aren't feeling it sometimes the W just doesn't happen.

We're seeing progress but it takes time and I'm confident by the time playoffs roll around we'll be better at home, on the power play and better at shut down Boring hockey.

I don't want to ever see us try and play riverboat hockey with anyone ....we just don't have the horses to win that race .

I'm sticking with Darryls mantra.....don't get too high and don't get too low.

Chin up CP....its all gonna work out. Keep cheering and fighting the good fight.

[sa226]

I didn't expect them to run away with the presidents trophy by any means. But they're a bit frustrating to watch right now.

Good to go through some adversity though.

I guess the question is starting to become is this the real Calgary Flames? Or is the real Calgary Flames who we saw sweep through the east?

Or maybe somewhere in between.

You can see the success of structure but they've got to be executing at sub 20% .

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Yeah, that's looking like yet another Treliving free agent dud so far. You can't be giving that much money out if you're not getting the goals to justify it.

I think Coleman is more than goals and assists though, his checking and defensive game is excellent. He’s only been on the ice for 8 even strength goals and plays tough minutes.

He kind of reminds me of Michael Frolik a bit. Can play up and down the lineup, high hockey IQ, high motor. Although Frolik was usually good for 0.5 points per game or 40ish points in a full season. So until Coleman snaps out of this funk and starts putting up some points, I’m with you that he’s not living up to his contract, especially with the cap crunch coming next season.

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt though as he has won 2 consecutive Stanley Cups, so perhaps his value will be seen more in the playoffs. He’s still a considerably better overall player than a James Neal, so I’m not concerned with his long term viability as an NHLer. But hopefully he starts putting up points soon because hard work without the results isn’t helping the team win right now.