I think his point is you're doing the exact same thing.
Pot ... kettle
You know the schtick.
Yeah...that's kind of the point of my bump...wasn't a secret. Lol I even said "I wondered why this thread wasn't being bumped"
If the people who kept bumping this thread after a 2nd assist thought it was bump worthy maybe we can bump it anytime he goes pointless or takes a dumb penalty.
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I was wondering why this hasn't been bumped in a while. 6 points in last 15 games.
Is he getting off the trade high and coming back down to earth?
Considering he is still the centre of a potent line, that's an unlikely answer. If you look at his IPP of 33.33% this is the lowest mark of his career. That's pretty much unsustainable actually - even in his worst years in Calgary his own IPP was always in the mid-70s. The average top9 forward usually has an IPP in the mid-60s.
It's also possible that the upper body injury has affected his shot a bit. He has one of the highest shot rates in the entire NHL, and leads the Panthers in this category, but his iSH% is the lowest it's been since 2017-18. Actually, it's even lower.
Ultimately though, individual stats aren't what it's ever been about. His line scores nearly four goals a game and allows fewer than two when he's on the ice. He's doing his job as the 200-foot centre. The Panthers (including Huberdeau!) are much worse when he's off the ice. It would take someone actively looking for problems to actually take him off that line for "not producing". There aren't many centres in the NHL posting a CF%/xGF%/GF% over 60%
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I’m more interested in Cali’s write ups about the games. Florida still winning, Bennett still getting ice time. Is he playing worse?
I probably don't watch as many Panthers games as he does, but I have been curious and watched a few recently. He actually reminds me of Bennett in Calgary lately. Using his speed, playing physical, and shooting practically every time he gets the puck. He still tries to do everything himself at times though.
I think if the other team can focus on his linemates, it really reduces his effectiveness. But one thing Bennett does really well, is provoke the other team to focus on him more leaving more space for his linemates, which in turn, he benefits from. He's like, hey, don't look at them, look at me... and it works a lot of the time.
I think if Bennett played on the top line in Calgary right now, his point production would be similar, but I am quite happy with Lindholm in that role. On the second line in Calgary, Bennett wouldn't produce as much IMO.
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Considering he is still the centre of a potent line, that's an unlikely answer. If you look at his IPP of 33.33% this is the lowest mark of his career. That's pretty much unsustainable actually - even in his worst years in Calgary his own IPP was always in the mid-70s. The average top9 forward usually has an IPP in the mid-60s.
It's also possible that the upper body injury has affected his shot a bit. He has one of the highest shot rates in the entire NHL, and leads the Panthers in this category, but his iSH% is the lowest it's been since 2017-18. Actually, it's even lower.
Ultimately though, individual stats aren't what it's ever been about. His line scores nearly four goals a game and allows fewer than two when he's on the ice. He's doing his job as the 200-foot centre. The Panthers (including Huberdeau!) are much worse when he's off the ice. It would take someone actively looking for problems to actually take him off that line for "not producing". There aren't many centres in the NHL posting a CF%/xGF%/GF% over 60%
I didn't mean that literally. Just an innattentive mistake.
When I say "line" I meant "5-man unit". and when I say "a game" I meant "per 60 minutes of 5v5 icetime"
The Panthers score 3.96 goals / sixty minutes when Sam Bennett is on the ice.
The Panthers allow 1.98 goals / sixty minutes when Sam Bennett is on the ice.
The Panthers have xGF (score-and-venue adj) of 60.31% when Bennett is on the ice.
Yes this is largely driven by the fact that he plays primarily with Huberdeau. The pair together in 216:07 have 3.89 GF/60 and 2.22 GA/60 with 57.88 xGF%
However, the Panthers with Huberdeau, yet without Bennett, in 95:15 are at 3.15 GF/60 and 4.41 GA/60 with 53.27 xGF%
The Panthers with Bennett but without Huberdeau, in 56:46 are at 4.23 GF/60 and 1.00 GA/60 with 67.52% xGF
Huberdeau is the markedly better offensive player, but Bennett is still driving chance differentials without him when centering others.
As for points, IPP explains a lot of it. No, Bennett probably won't rebound to that 4+ P/60 rate from last year (his IPP with Florida last year was an awesomely silly 100%), but rebounding to an average IPP of 66% would... double his 5v5 production. And 66% is actually lower than his career average.
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On December 2, a 7-4 comeback win against Buffalo, Bennett was on the ice for five of the Florida goals. Huberdeau picked up five points on those goals, while Bennett picked up none.
So FWIW, the lack of points doesn't mean his line isn't producing...
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On December 2, a 7-4 comeback win against Buffalo, Bennett was on the ice for five of the Florida goals. Huberdeau picked up five points on those goals, while Bennett picked up none.
So FWIW, the lack of points doesn't mean his line isn't producing...
I think the push back is because this was bumped every time he picked up a point. Now it's no points, but his line is great.
That would be frustrating from the other side, wouldn't you think?
That's the issue with extremes.
The "Bennett Sucks" crew battling to prove this means they were right all along and the "Bennett Rules and Calgary Ruined Him" crew moving the goal posts from production to his line doing well.
Pretty happy in the middle of this one to be honest.
On December 2, a 7-4 comeback win against Buffalo, Bennett was on the ice for five of the Florida goals. Huberdeau picked up five points on those goals, while Bennett picked up none.
So FWIW, the lack of points doesn't mean his line isn't producing...
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I consider myself relatively knowledgeable when it comes to advanced stats but I have no idea with IPP is.
In case anyone doesn't know, the "IPP" I am referencing in my previous two points is "Individual Points Percentage".
It refers to "Points received for goals scored on the ice". Since only three of the six players on the ice can receive a point on any goal, the fourth, fifth, or goalie touches typically don't result in points. And sometimes off of quick hit turnover plays only two or even one guys get a point, even if a secondary forechecker is the one primarily disrupting the play (I don't believe Lucic got a point on that Brad Richardson breakaway goal a couple weeks ago for instance).
If a team is scoring 10 goals, typically forwards of the Backlund tier will get ~6-7 points (~66%) on the goals while defensemen will typically get fewer than 4 (More variance there, I imagine Bobby Orr had a high IPP in his day)
Sam Bennett's IPP of 100% last year as a Panther was unsustainable. I never said otherwise at the time, because to me points are a byproduct of good things - they're not the good things themselves.
Sam Bennett's IPP of 33% this year is equally unsustainable, and nothing for the Panthers' coach to be concerned over.
Aaron Ekblad's IPP of 50% is probably just as unsustainably high, considering he's ranged anywhere from 27% to 44% in past years. Forsling is also at 50%, this he's historically been a bit higher than Ekblad. Lucas Carlsson is producing like a forward - 62.5%. That's a lot of offense being apparently produced on the backend.
Chances are that the on-ice GF rates will remain the same, but the point rate of Bennett will trend up and the point rates of Ekblad, Forsling, and Carlsson will trend down a little. Even if it doesn't, one can assume that the only reason the Panthers' D are being so productive is because forwards have been very responsible in covering for them.
It takes five guys to outplay the opposition, but five guys will never get five points on a goal.
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In somewhat related news, Heineman is up to 26gp/8g/4a/12pts, tied for 3rd in the SHL for players 20 and under, 2nd in goals. His 8 goals are tied for 20th in the entire SHL.
