Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-07-2021, 09:24 PM   #41
powderjunkie
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Exp:
Default

head was not the principal point of contact...his jaw was that 'first' contact, but the primary/principal was between the logo and the collar-laces.

I'm not sure if the league has ever officially defined "principal point of contact"?

Clean, but unnecessary.
powderjunkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2021, 09:49 PM   #42
Sandman
Franchise Player
 
Sandman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by powderjunkie View Post
head was not the principal point of contact...his jaw was that 'first' contact, but the primary/principal was between the logo and the collar-laces.

I'm not sure if the league has ever officially defined "principal point of contact"?

Clean, but unnecessary.
I gotta disagree-he deliberately stuck his shoulder out and the first thing he hit was the jaw. He should be suspended.
Sandman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Sandman For This Useful Post:
Old 12-07-2021, 09:55 PM   #43
CaptainCrunch
Norm!
 
CaptainCrunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Exp:
Default

Terrifying for the poor guy in that he's suffered 3 knockouts in a row and he's still relatively young.
__________________
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;

Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
CaptainCrunch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2021, 09:55 PM   #44
theinfinitejar
Powerplay Quarterback
 
theinfinitejar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
I gotta disagree-he deliberately stuck his shoulder out and the first thing he hit was the jaw. He should be suspended.




This hit would fit in perfectly in this video of hard, legal checks.
__________________
Fire Geoff Ward.

Into the Sun.
theinfinitejar is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to theinfinitejar For This Useful Post:
Old 12-07-2021, 10:06 PM   #45
Sandman
Franchise Player
 
Sandman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Idk, some of the examples of illegal checks look similar too....

I guess we'll see.
Sandman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2021, 10:13 PM   #46
Knightslayer
Lifetime Suspension
 
Join Date: Jul 2021
Exp:
Default

Also that video is 8 years old..
Knightslayer is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Knightslayer For This Useful Post:
Old 12-07-2021, 10:16 PM   #47
Buff
Franchise Player
 
Buff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
Exp:
Default

Amber mentioned on SN that the Hawks tweeted that he's up, responsitand talking.
Buff is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Buff For This Useful Post:
Old 12-07-2021, 10:16 PM   #48
theinfinitejar
Powerplay Quarterback
 
theinfinitejar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Calgary
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
Idk, some of the examples of illegal checks look similar too....

I guess we'll see.
Which ones?
__________________
Fire Geoff Ward.

Into the Sun.
theinfinitejar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2021, 10:19 PM   #49
Buff
Franchise Player
 
Buff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
Exp:
Default

Found the fweet:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1468442497256939524
Buff is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Buff For This Useful Post:
Old 12-07-2021, 10:46 PM   #50
CroFlames
Franchise Player
 
CroFlames's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Exp:
Default

Hit looked clean to me. Jujhar had his head down unfortunately.

Hope for the speedy and complete recovery.
CroFlames is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to CroFlames For This Useful Post:
Old 12-07-2021, 10:46 PM   #51
Cecil Terwilliger
That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
 
Cecil Terwilliger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
Exp:
Default

I think he hit the head first and a lengthy suspension should be coming Trouba’s way. I’m a bit biased as I’ve always disliked him.

Regardless, I don’t think there’s any place in todays NHL for predatory hits against a defenceless player. It’s not a hockey play, it had no benefit to his team or the game, it didn’t effectively separate the man from the puck, it was most certainly not the best available play to regain possession of the puck. Literally the only purpose of that hit was to injure another player.

If pro and college football can introduce targeting, so can the nhl. There is no place in the game for hits whose sole purpose is to injure.

If you need to see people attempt to injure each other with no consideration to actually playing a sport, go watch MMA. Injuring the other guy is the purpose of that sport. It is not the purpose of hockey.

Last edited by Cecil Terwilliger; 12-07-2021 at 10:51 PM.
Cecil Terwilliger is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Cecil Terwilliger For This Useful Post:
Old 12-07-2021, 10:56 PM   #52
Reaper
Franchise Player
 
Reaper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: I'm right behind you
Exp:
Default

Echoing those concerned for his health, I hope he goes on IR for the remainder of his contract. Concussions are no joke. While neuroplasticity is a thing blows to the brain cause damage ranging from barely perceptible to seriously life changing. Being able to emerge from his playing days relatively neurologically intact is way more important than playing hockey.
__________________
Don't fear me. Trust me.
Reaper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2021, 12:05 AM   #53
PaperBagger'14
Franchise Player
 
PaperBagger'14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger View Post
I think he hit the head first and a lengthy suspension should be coming Trouba’s way. I’m a bit biased as I’ve always disliked him.

Regardless, I don’t think there’s any place in todays NHL for predatory hits against a defenceless player. It’s not a hockey play, it had no benefit to his team or the game, it didn’t effectively separate the man from the puck, it was most certainly not the best available play to regain possession of the puck. Literally the only purpose of that hit was to injure another player.

If pro and college football can introduce targeting, so can the nhl. There is no place in the game for hits whose sole purpose is to injure.

If you need to see people attempt to injure each other with no consideration to actually playing a sport, go watch MMA. Injuring the other guy is the purpose of that sport. It is not the purpose of hockey.
If you want to see people prancing around with no repercussions to the situation they put themselves in, maybe you should watch soccer or basketball.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by puckhog View Post
Everyone who disagrees with you is stupid
PaperBagger'14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2021, 02:29 AM   #54
combustiblefuel
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger View Post
I think he hit the head first and a lengthy suspension should be coming Trouba’s way. I’m a bit biased as I’ve always disliked him.

Regardless, I don’t think there’s any place in todays NHL for predatory hits against a defenceless player. It’s not a hockey play, it had no benefit to his team or the game, it didn’t effectively separate the man from the puck, it was most certainly not the best available play to regain possession of the puck. Literally the only purpose of that hit was to injure another player.

If pro and college football can introduce targeting, so can the nhl. There is no place in the game for hits whose sole purpose is to injure.

If you need to see people attempt to injure each other with no consideration to actually playing a sport, go watch MMA. Injuring the other guy is the purpose of that sport. It is not the purpose of hockey.
O please. We see hits like this all the time where the player pops right back up. This wouldn't even be a issue if no injury.

It was a hard legal hit with no intent to injure. It was a hockey play where the hit was meant to seperate the puck from player. Let's not pretend this is a Matt Cook headhunting hit.

Truoba barley even moved to hit him . He basically just stopped moving. Let's be real a large part of this is Khaira has a history of head issues . Like the Romonav hit on him wasn't that hard and basically just walked him with his ass to the mid section and hobled him. This wasn't even a play at half speed for either player.

Fernand is a great example of not being able to take a hit at one point. By the time he went on ltir he couldn't take a shoulder to shoulder check we see 10? 20 times a game? Everyone's different .

This is the hockey equivalent of a boxer having a "glass jaw"

Last edited by combustiblefuel; 12-08-2021 at 02:39 AM.
combustiblefuel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2021, 02:34 AM   #55
Since1984
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by powderjunkie View Post
head was not the principal point of contact...his jaw was that 'first' contact, but the primary/principal was between the logo and the collar-laces.

I'm not sure if the league has ever officially defined "principal point of contact"?

Clean, but unnecessary.
You are everything that is wrong with "educated" fans
Since1984 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2021, 02:51 AM   #56
Scroopy Noopers
Pent-up
 
Scroopy Noopers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Since1984 View Post
You are everything that is wrong with "educated" fans
Why?

The rule is in place if your target/place of impact is the head and isn’t intended to include square body checks where someone’s head hits a shoulder first on a square check due to size differences. It’s for predatory hits “picking” someone’s head.
Quote:
Rule 48 – Illegal Check to the Head

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted.

In determining whether contact with an opponent's head was avoidable, the circumstances of the hit including the following shall be considered:
(i) Whether the player attempted to hit squarely through the opponent’s body and the head was not "picked" as a result of poor timing, poor angle of approach, or unnecessary extension of the body upward or outward.
(ii) Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable.
(iii) Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way that significantly contributed to the head contact.
I actually don’t think the hit was illegal either. I’d go as far to say I’d actually be surprised if he was suspended. The alternate angle looks like a square check (much more than the broadcast angle). It doesn’t really matter if he “hit the head first” as that isn’t the rule and there are variables to be considered outlined above. But I guess we will see.

Sure tough watching someone get KO’d like that. Especially a player we’ve seen KO’d before… makes me queasy when it happens multiple times to the same player.

Last edited by Scroopy Noopers; 12-08-2021 at 02:55 AM.
Scroopy Noopers is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Scroopy Noopers For This Useful Post:
Old 12-08-2021, 04:34 AM   #57
Cali Panthers Fan
Franchise Player
 
Cali Panthers Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger View Post
I think he hit the head first and a lengthy suspension should be coming Trouba’s way. I’m a bit biased as I’ve always disliked him.

Regardless, I don’t think there’s any place in todays NHL for predatory hits against a defenceless player. It’s not a hockey play, it had no benefit to his team or the game, it didn’t effectively separate the man from the puck, it was most certainly not the best available play to regain possession of the puck. Literally the only purpose of that hit was to injure another player.

If pro and college football can introduce targeting, so can the nhl. There is no place in the game for hits whose sole purpose is to injure.

If you need to see people attempt to injure each other with no consideration to actually playing a sport, go watch MMA. Injuring the other guy is the purpose of that sport. It is not the purpose of hockey.
I have to adamantly disagree with the bolded. It was absolutely a hockey play, and he was literally separating the man from the puck. I bristle at the idea that there's no place for a body check, especially when you're trying to keep the puck in the offensive zone. I have no issue with the general idea of the play.

However, the player was vulnerable. He did also hit his head first before anything else. He could have let up a little but chose to hit him as hard as he could. To me, this is a cultural issue the NHL has about "blowing guys up", and that has to change, but it will take time.

To me, it's absolutely suspension worthy for the hit to the head on a vulnerable player, but probably no more than 2 games.
__________________
"You know, that's kinda why I came here, to show that I don't suck that much" ~ Devin Cooley, Professional Goaltender
Cali Panthers Fan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Cali Panthers Fan For This Useful Post:
Old 12-08-2021, 06:02 AM   #58
indes
First Line Centre
 
indes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
Exp:
Default

Pretty easy to point out all the things Trouba should've done differently through a slow motion replay lol.

The onus has to be on players to keep their heads up as well, Trouba is as much protecting himself from getting steamrolled there as he is stopping Khaira.

Hilarious when people talk like these hits are discussed internally or pre meditated. Trouba isn't having a debate in his mind about which exact body part of Khaira his shoulder is going to come into contact with. He went center mass, tucked his shoulder and stayed on his feet. That's really all you can do in a split second.

Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk
indes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2021, 06:15 AM   #59
Erick Estrada
Franchise Player
 
Erick Estrada's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
Exp:
Default

The NFL implemented the defenseless receiver rule to eliminate plays where an unsuspecting receiver gets destroyed by a defender that has lined him up. I think the NHL would be wise to implement something similar. If a player had his head down he's a defenseless player and this is the type of thing that has happened in the past and will happen again. It's just not worth altering the life of a human being for a random hit in a regular season game.
Erick Estrada is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Erick Estrada For This Useful Post:
Old 12-08-2021, 07:02 AM   #60
thefoss1957
Franchise Player
 
thefoss1957's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Chicago Native relocated to the stinking desert of Utah
Exp:
Default

Puck was lost in his skates...he had his head down looking for it...Trouba made a clean hit...Khaira went straight back and bounced the back of his head...'Hawks pretty much were just going through the motions after the hit, clearly a distracted team.
__________________
"If the wine's not good enough for the cook, the wine's not good enough for the dish!" - Julia Child (goddess of the kitchen)
thefoss1957 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:42 AM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy