[News] Valimaki assigned to Stockton. UPD: recalled on Dec 7

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Valimaki looks like the annoying dude from the British version of The Office.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Pure speculation on my part but I think he was still recovering from his injury, not enough to place him on some sort of injured list, but enough that it was affecting his play. They kept him up here to train under Sutter's standards. Now he's doing better and needs to get some playing time to improve his conditioning.

That or nobody knew he could be sent down without waivers.

I think the most likely answer is neither of those.

It probably had to do with contracts.

Treliving botched the offseason by pushing Kylington for a two way and handing Valimaki not only a one way but one with a higher cap hit than was commessurate to his performance last year (I noted this back when Juuso was re-signed, so it's not revisionist history).

Tre got burned on his gamble, Valimaki wasn't worth his one way deal. Sending Kylington down is not (nor ever should have been) an option. And Tre's bosses are probably not happy to be paying a guy over a million to play in the minors.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I think the most likely answer is neither of those.

It probably had to do with contracts.

Treliving botched the offseason by pushing Kylington for a two way and handing Valimaki not only a one way but one with a higher cap hit than was commessurate to his performance last year (I noted this back when Juuso was re-signed, so it's not revisionist history).

Tre got burned on his gamble, Valimaki wasn't worth his one way deal. Sending Kylington down is not (nor ever should have been) an option. And Tre's bosses are probably not happy to be paying a guy over a million to play in the minors.

Tre is like Mr. Magoo, whose *** got saved by Sutter

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I think the most likely answer is neither of those.

It probably had to do with contracts.

Treliving botched the offseason by pushing Kylington for a two way and handing Valimaki not only a one way but one with a higher cap hit than was commessurate to his performance last year (I noted this back when Juuso was re-signed, so it's not revisionist history).

Tre got burned on his gamble, Valimaki wasn't worth his one way deal. Sending Kylington down is not (nor ever should have been) an option. And Tre's bosses are probably not happy to be paying a guy over a million to play in the minors.

Not a chance.

You sign contracts as they make sense at the time. And you manage players based on what the team needs, and what the player needs.

Having Valimaki's contract in Stockton is irrelevant - they are paying him regardless. Literally zero impact on the organization.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Not a chance.

You sign contracts as they make sense at the time. And you manage players based on what the team needs, and what the player needs.

Having Valimaki's contract in Stockton is irrelevant - they are paying him regardless. Literally zero impact on the organization.

If you think there's "not a chance" that Treliving is receiving or anticipating negative feedback from CSEC for a 1.55M one-way contract playing in the minors in a year where gate revenue is down, I'm not sure what to say. Do you think the Flames packaged a 2nd with Kotalik because Feaster just felt like giving a 2nd away?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

If you think there's "not a chance" that Treliving is receiving or anticipating negative feedback from CSEC for a 1.55M one-way contract playing in the minors in a year where gate revenue is down, I'm not sure what to say. Do you think the Flames packaged a 2nd with Kotalik because Feaster just felt like giving a 2nd away?

He’s been down for one game
At this point I doubt it’s a big deal

[Classic_Sniper]

Good for Valimaki to get some games in. Sitting around collecting dust and eating popcorn isn’t going to help him in anyway. Maybe the staff in Stockton can give him some serious power skating classes while he’s down there, the kid could use some work on his boots.

[badger89]

I've heard from someone in the organisation that Sutter wants Valimaki to play harder and be more physical. The rest of the D have stepped up, but Valimaki isn't there yet so he's not going to bump anyone out of the line-up any time soon. Hopefully he can develop more of an edge to his game.

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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I think the most likely answer is neither of those.

It probably had to do with contracts.

Treliving botched the offseason by pushing Kylington for a two way and handing Valimaki not only a one way but one with a higher cap hit than was commessurate to his performance last year (I noted this back when Juuso was re-signed, so it's not revisionist history).

Tre got burned on his gamble, Valimaki wasn't worth his one way deal. Sending Kylington down is not (nor ever should have been) an option. And Tre's bosses are probably not happy to be paying a guy over a million to play in the minors.

Mackey’s contract is the head scratcher, not Valimaki. At least Valimaki had a legitimate shot at being a starter from the beginning of training camp. Mackey was destined for Stockton from day one when they weee split into two groups.

Kylington has been a surprise, even to Sutter IMO.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

If you think there's "not a chance" that Treliving is receiving or anticipating negative feedback from CSEC for a 1.55M one-way contract playing in the minors in a year where gate revenue is down, I'm not sure what to say. Do you think the Flames packaged a 2nd with Kotalik because Feaster just felt like giving a 2nd away?

Well, there is nothing to say, because it's a sunk cost. Valimaki costs exactly the same, whether he is munching popcorn or playing in Stockton. In fact, they are saving money because they sent Kusnetsov back to the CHL.

CSEC don't pay Treliving to manage expenses the way you are suggesting (they could do that themselves and eliminate his salary). His job is to manage the team, which is what he's doing.

[Roof-Daddy]

Valimaki just picked up another assist 3 minutes into the game vs the Gulls.

Gawdin from Mackey and Valimaki

So two points in 63 minutes so far.

[TheScorpion]

Treliving is here tonight.

[powderjunkie]

If ownership were actually that concerned about counting nickels they'd have set a budget that precluded moves like Coleman and Zadorov.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by badger89

I've heard from someone in the organisation that Sutter wants Valimaki to play harder and be more physical. The rest of the D have stepped up, but Valimaki isn't there yet so he's not going to bump anyone out of the line-up any time soon. Hopefully he can develop more of an edge to his game.

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It’s obvious Sutter doesn’t think Valimaki fits in to what he’s trying to build.

I’m betting he gets traded.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well, there is nothing to say, because it's a sunk cost. Valimaki costs exactly the same, whether he is munching popcorn or playing in Stockton. In fact, they are saving money because they sent Kusnetsov back to the CHL.

CSEC don't pay Treliving to manage expenses the way you are suggesting (they could do that themselves and eliminate his salary). His job is to manage the team, which is what he's doing.

I agree that sending Valimaki down has zero impact on the team’s finances. But not sure if you’re saying that Treliving’s job doesn’t include managing the budget for hockey operations as a whole. I’m pretty sure it does.

[Jay Random]

Valimaki has been sent down because his job was taken by a superior player making league minimum. This is a good thing, not something to complain about. The owners know that very well.

As for his salary, I think the GM Mind Control Ray theory is at work again. Treliving doesn't have the power to order players to sign at a certain salary. Valimaki's contract was negotiated between the team and Valimaki's agent. The Flames did not just offer him extra money out of the goodness of their hearts.

[Mindtravellee]

It's good that he's been sent down and the clarification around his contract status should of been found earlier.

He's only just 2 years out from an ACL with part of that stuffed from Covid. Takes a while to come back from an injury like that

[Reggie Dunlop]

Keep him in Stockton the rest of the season, and use the spot to carry an extra forward.

[Sandman]

Val had 2 assists tonight, so he has 3 assists in 2 games. His presence is perhaps a boost to Mackey's offensive production, as he has 3g,2a in his last 2 games. If it's true that Sutter wants Val to play harder and more physical, than he should be worried about Mackey-who plays more of a Sutter type of game....

[Mattman]

I think alot of people are getting caught up on Zadorov taking the spot of Valimaki, when I think it was Kylington who stepped up as that offensive defenseman.

That's not to say Valimaki can't be that for the Flames, but he should be in the top 4 and there just isn't a role for him in Sutters lineup.