NCAA 2021 football thread

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

I think this was put out by his agents to get him a pay raise. No way you go to from Cardinals (one of the best young teams in the NFL) to NCAAF. I guess there is a way but all rumors (or at least the smoke) are saying Brent Venables is next OU HC.

Plus, there is no way OU goes after a former Tech guy that had, at best, a middling record there.

[nickerjones]

The hits just keep coming for Sooner fans. Just a gutless move by Lincoln Riley. Cold, Gutless but GENIUS.

He spent all season recruiting high level California kids on OU's dime. He's bailing, taking the coaching staff, and all the recruits are de-committing to likely follow him.

Burning down the program on his way out.

[transplant99]

You are acting like this doesnt happen every off season....it does, it just doesnt usually happen to programs like OU.

It's usually programs like OU poaching from schools that cant afford to compete financially and/or recruiting wise.

Some serious salt happening here from you Sooner guys now that a bigger program, (albeit one that has been down for a decade), does the same thing. Part of the game known as college football head coaching.

Plus, there is no way OU goes after a former Tech guy that had, at best, a middling record there.

Guess where Riley played and cut his teeth into the coaching realm?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Riley is severely overrated as a coach. He might do well at USC, but that's because it's a layup conference (and lets not kid ourselves, he doesn't want the SEC challenge). Never been impressed with his in game performance at all, feels like most games I've seen he's been outcoached, but overcomes it with superior talent.

[ResAlien]

No one likes getting left high and dry so sooner fan salt is understandable. I crept a few of their forums and wow, that’s an angry fanbase. A lot of talk about how he can take his “SJW snowflake crap” to California and deal with wildfires.

I’m a bit sour because if Riley knew about the dumb SEC plan he probably would have taken the Eagles job last year and they wouldn’t be stuck with moron Sirianni

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

Plus, there is no way OU goes after a former Tech guy that had, at best, a middling record there.

Is this a serious post? Or are you saying they don't want another Texas Tech guy?

I don't see the SEC fear being the big deal some make it out to be. In the bog picture, I think it attracts talent at every level vs. scares it away.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You are acting like this doesnt happen every off season....it does, it just doesnt usually happen to programs like OU.

It's usually programs like OU poaching from schools that cant afford to compete financially and/or recruiting wise.

Some serious salt happening here from you Sooner guys now that a bigger program, (albeit one that has been down for a decade), does the same thing. Part of the game known as college football head coaching.



Guess where Riley played and cut his teeth into the coaching realm?

Yes I am salty. Lets put this in Flames message board lingo. Johnny Gaudreau asks not to be traded at the deadline because he's committed to this team. But after the season he leaves for nothing. And as he leaves he takes Lindholm, Andersson, and Tkachuk with him to wherever he is going (obviously this is extreme but is it not what is happening at OU?). Would we, as Flames fans, not be salty?


I didn't say it was wrong or didn't happen elsewhere. I said Riley was a coward on how he went about it. The missed press conference for personal reasons before the Baylor game, and the lacklustre performances going 1-2 since then make way more sense. You cant coach, you cant be committed to a team, you cant ask for a team to be committed to you with one foot out the door.

You lost me at USC being a bigger program than Oklahoma though. It's a big program but its a lateral move at best.

It's a coward move because Riley didn't want to compete in the SEC. USC will win the Pac-12 easily but its not going to compete against SEC or BIG10 teams. At the end of the day Riley wasn't going to win OU a national championship. The expectation from OU is conference titles only aren't good enough, hell Riley couldn't even win that once his own players/coaches were in place.

Riley is a good coach, not a great coach. We feel more scorned than we do just sad a good coach left. He won't win a national title at USC but I guess he can brag about all his worst power 5 conference titles. King #### on Turd Mountain. That's all some people care about I guess.

[Lubicon]

As an OU fan this really stings but when I look at it from the POV of a coach it makes sense. Spent a few hours listening to SiriusXM last night and obviously this was the topic of conversation. Some really interesting points although most is speculative. But food for thought:

USC is a private school so does not need to disclose salary. However with California tax rates, cost of living, housing costs etc. the feel is this deal would need to be in the $10+ million per year range to make it worth leaving. Plus probably a commitment from USC to upgrade their football facilities.

Also speculation as to how much, if anything Riley knew about OU moving to the SEC. Similar to whether Steve Sarkisian would have taken the Texas job if he knew he was going to get tossed right back into the SEC whether Riley knew ahead of time or was involved in the decision (unlikely in most opinions) may have played a role. Karma's a b!tch sometimes, and the university may have reaped what they sowed in this case.

I do think the SEC factor did play into it. Maybe not fear, but look at the track record of schools in that conference and their unrealistic expectations. How many coaches have been run out of town in recent years. The big schools have expectations of winning their division EVERY year, winning the conference consistently, and playing for a national championship every few years. Look at the coaches in that conference now. Only two of them are even going to win their division each year so 2/3 or more of the big name guys won't. Most will fail their fanbases expectations even if they consistently win games. It's almost a no win situation for a coach. Can't really blame Riley for going to a conference where he should be able to recruit successfully and have decent success on the field.

For fun I looked at the USC athletics webpage last night. Front page had the announcement and also a link to buy season tickets.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Is this a serious post? Or are you saying they don't want another Texas Tech guy?

I’m saying that Kingsbury had a middling record at Tech as a head coach. He wasn’t particularly impressive in conference or overall play, so why would OU want him? He had (apparently) a talent at getting good players, but he wasn’t able to do much with them, and he certainly didn’t smoke Oklahoma year in and year out.

If Kliff had won every game, won a few national titles, and so on, then, sure OU would look at him. But he didn’t.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

I’m saying that Kingsbury had a middling record at Tech as a head coach. He wasn’t particularly impressive in conference or overall play, so why would OU want him? He had (apparently) a talent at getting good players, but he wasn’t able to do much with them, and he certainly didn’t smoke Oklahoma year in and year out.

If Kliff had won every game, won a few national titles, and so on, then, sure OU would look at him. But he didn’t.

Riley came from Tech and had far less experience.

Who are you suggesting they will look at if criteria is a few national titles? I don't think Nick is going to be interested.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

The hits just keep coming for Sooner fans. Just a gutless move by Lincoln Riley. Cold, Gutless but GENIUS.

He spent all season recruiting high level California kids on OU's dime. He's bailing, taking the coaching staff, and all the recruits are de-committing to likely follow him.

Burning down the program on his way out.

Apparently they offered him 110 million and insane perks . Can't turn that down.

[ResAlien]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1465483496718274569

Around and around the carousel goes

[Drake]

Is Luke Fickell next for the Fighting Irish?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Urb to Notre Dame obviously. Joining a university governed by an institution that looks the other way on sexual relations with minors? Sign him up.

[Drake]

No idea who this guy is but he a has blue checkmark. Makes sense since both guys have OU ties.

@MarinoNFL:

New: The word around the #Sooners building is that it’s “virtually a done deal” between Brent Venables and #Oklahoma. Venables is expected to take over as head coach and is likely to target #OleMiss OC Jeff Lebby to call his offense.

Keep an eye out this week.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Riley came from Tech and had far less experience.

Who are you suggesting they will look at if criteria is a few national titles? I don't think Nick is going to be interested.

Sure, but Riley didn’t come directly from Tech and, more importantly, arrived at OU as an offensive coordinator, not as the head coach. As I recall, Riley was essentially hand picked by Stoops to take over, and I doubt Castiglone (sp?) was going to disagree with Stoops.

As to who OU should go with?

Venables would work. He’s been at OU previously and has been part of a team that has won two titles. And he’d likely up OU’s defense to boot.

If you wanted someone who is currently a head coach, then I don’t think that there are any real options.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Apparently they offered him 110 million and insane perks . Can't turn that down.

Completely get that. Im not faulting him for doing it. I'm faulting him for how he did it. Reports coming out that this has been in the works since Sept and he kept it from everyone until Saturday. Out recruiting to bring players to USC with Oklahoma thinking he is doing it to build on the dynasty he was handed. It's just shady and lots of current (former now) players are calling him out. Hell even NFL guys are saying it wasn't right.

What are ya gonna do. Hire BV, become a contender, and when you face them give them the ole B (Bud, Barry, Bob, and hopefully Brent) treatment... hang half a hundred on 'em.

[KelVarnsen]

Didn’t Urban Meyer once call ND his dream job?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Didn’t Urban Meyer once call ND his dream job?

he did.. i think he had an out when he was with Utah for ND, OSU and Michigan.

That said, he did turn down ND to take the Florida job when he did have the chance to take that job...recruiting for Florida is so much easier.

Some crazy moves happening in college football - feels like UFA signing day right now...

Riley to USC
Kelly to LSU
Venables to OU
Franklin signs long term with PSU
Fleck reupped long term

probably Fickell to ND if offered...
Freeman probably to Cincy, if he doesn't get the ND job...

Tucker's contract basically blew out the pay scale and now everyone is throwing money around....

Would not be surprised to see Michigan re-up Harbaugh after reducing his contract last season too now...though he publicly stated he's giving his incentive bonuses to all the other Michigan athletic program coaches that had to take pay cuts due to covid

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

he did.. i think he had an out when he was with Utah for ND, OSU and Michigan.

That said, he did turn down ND to take the Florida job when he did have the chance to take that job...recruiting for Florida is so much easier.

Some crazy moves happening in college football - feels like UFA signing day right now...

Riley to USC
Kelly to LSU
Venables to OU
Franklin signs long term with PSU
Fleck reupped long term

probably Fickell to ND if offered...
Freeman probably to Cincy, if he doesn't get the ND job...

Tucker's contract basically blew out the pay scale and now everyone is throwing money around....

Would not be surprised to see Michigan re-up Harbaugh after reducing his contract last season too now...though he publicly stated he's giving his incentive bonuses to all the other Michigan athletic program coaches that had to take pay cuts due to covid

It seems rather crappy that they allow all these coaching moves before the end of the post season. Cincinnati could have their big playoff game with their coach gone or on their way out? Notre Dame is still in the playoff hunt too. A few upsets this weekend and Cincinnati could be facing their coach's new team?