I would try to use Valimaki + to get Toffoli. Toffoli+ Monahan played together in Junior. Perhaps he would be a good candidate to help get Monahan back some spark in his game.
In regards to Hartley, although a lot of players have said some nasty things, there is a chance to hire someone who has won and had success and make it clear, the past behavior isn't acceptable. Hypothetically if he was hired and paid $2-3 million a year, ownership can make it very very clear that personal conduct in 2022 terms are what is the standard and going back to the 90's won't be tolerated.
I am not saying he would oblige or that he can get hired, but I think with some of the coaches that have been known to be hard asses like Hartley, Sutter, Babcock etc there is a notion that they aren't able to change. If ownership who signs the chq's says this is the way it is, than that is what is expected.
In regards to Hartley, although a lot of players have said some nasty things, there is a chance to hire someone who has won and had success and make it clear, the past behavior isn't acceptable. Hypothetically if he was hired and paid $2-3 million a year, ownership can make it very very clear that personal conduct in 2022 terms are what is the standard and going back to the 90's won't be tolerated.
I am not saying he would oblige or that he can get hired, but I think with some of the coaches that have been known to be hard asses like Hartley, Sutter, Babcock etc there is a notion that they aren't able to change. If ownership who signs the chq's says this is the way it is, than that is what is expected.
One of these things is not like the other. Hartley and Babcock were called out for unfair, two-faced, career-threatening, manipulation style tactics. Not just being tough.
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One of these things is not like the other. Hartley and Babcock were called out for unfair, two-faced, career-threatening, manipulation style tactics. Not just being tough.
I was just about to post the response to this effect as well. Darryl is tough as nails, but not a single NHL player has ever come out to say anything suggesting even a hint of Darryl Sutter denigrating and belittling players or threatening their careers. In fact, anyone who has ever spoke about Darryl said that as a player you always know where you stand with him today - before and after the game. No guessing. Conversely, many players (including Warrener and Commodore) came out and spoke about Hartley doing those things - being nice and cheerful to the media, while nasty and threatening in the locker room (similar to what Keenan was known for too, actually).
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I am not saying he would oblige or that he can get hired, but I think with some of the coaches that have been known to be hard asses like Hartley, Sutter, Babcock etc there is a notion that they aren't able to change. If ownership who signs the chq's says this is the way it is, than that is what is expected.
Sutter is definitely a hard ass but in a different way than Hartley. I think guys like Hartley and Keenan played mind games and used fear as a primary motivator for their players. It has a pretty short shelf life as players eventually stop responding.
Sutter pushes players to work hard on the ice and seems to be more of a technical coach. He has extremely high expectations and isn't one to give out compliments. His hard ass side does seem to positively impact a player's career trajectory by teaching them to be a better player. He probably isn't anyone's favourite coach to play for but I think he is a net positive for most of the people who play for him.
Darche is probably the best of the bunch there, he is a smart cookie but untested in these capacities.
I too find their necessity to push francophones into these roles self-defeating, but the political pressures on this franchise are real and have to be navigated regardless of my opinion.
It is interesting to note how many coaches/execs across the league have come through the Habs system though (Julien, Vigneault, Gallant, Brisebois, and going back Burns, Gainey, Robinson, Bowman, etc.). This may be because the team is forced to push new blood into the system.
I was just about to post the response to this effect as well. Darryl is tough as nails, but not a single NHL player has ever come out to say anything suggesting even a hint of Darryl Sutter denigrating and belittling players or threatening their careers. In fact, anyone who has ever spoke about Darryl said that as a player you always know where you stand with him today - before and after the game. No guessing. Conversely, many players (including Warrener and Commodore) came out and spoke about Hartley doing those things - being nice and cheerful to the media, while nasty and threatening in the locker room (similar to what Keenan was known for too, actually).
I believe Commodore spoke about Babcock only since wasn’t here for Hartley. Though I could be wrong if he had some insider info.
Darche is probably the best of the bunch there, he is a smart cookie but untested in these capacities.
I too find their necessity to push francophones into these roles self-defeating, but the political pressures on this franchise are real and have to be navigated regardless of my opinion.
It is interesting to note how many coaches/execs across the league have come through the Habs system though (Julien, Vigneault, Gallant, Brisebois, and going back Burns, Gainey, Robinson, Bowman, etc.). This may be because the team is forced to push new blood into the system.
It's sad and wrong. Remember when Cunneyworth was interim coach for like 2 months and they just destroyed him. Like he even wanted the job.
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I believe Commodore spoke about Babcock only since wasn’t here for Hartley. Though I could be wrong if he had some insider info.
With Commodore, you've got to look up his tweets, I think, it's been a while. This is the one from Scott Parker as part of the investigation on concussions:
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“He was a junior B goalie trying to tell me how to fight. He was always just degrading me. Not to be a (wimp), but he was a bully,” Parker said. “And he could be because he was in a position of authority. What was I supposed to do as a rookie? Go tell him ‘(expletive) you’? I did that stuff at the end of my career, but at the beginning of my career I was just a chess piece to him.”
Bullying tactics
Parker, who estimates he suffered 20 to 25 concussions, said there were several times when he was so banged up he told Hartley he needed a night off, or at least a game off from being asked to fight.
“He would call me a (expletive), say that Hershey (the Avs’ former minor-league affiliate) would be my next stop, where I’d be ‘smelling chocolate fumes all day long.’ I remember I thought I had a broken foot and told him about it, and he called me a (expletive) and said Hershey would love me,” Parker said. “Nobody needed to question my commitment to doing my job. But I was just constantly belittled by Bob Hartley. I really have no respect for the man.”
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Every time a coaching or GM position comes up in MTL, it always shocks me how few potential coaches or GMs have taken it upon themselves to learn french.
If you know english learning french isn't a giant leap.
Same goes for leaders of the conservative party.
When I was looking for finance gigs, I took french just because it gave you a leg up for the montreal based jobs.
Every time a coaching or GM position comes up in MTL, it always shocks me how few potential coaches or GMs have taken it upon themselves to learn french.
If you know english learning french isn't a giant leap.
Same goes for leaders of the conservative party.
When I was looking for finance gigs, I took french just because it gave you a leg up for the montreal based jobs.
Sure but isn't it difficult to stay fluent in a foreign language if you're not using it regularly in addition to learning another language requiring a fair amount of time and effort? How would you be able to time it just right to be able to be fluent in French at the same time an opportunity arose in Montreal?
