[PGT] Flames squeak by Hawks 5-2

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Lewis is larger than Pitlick.
Lewis has 47 hits. Pitlick has 34. Lewis is the one that suited his system. He's the one Sutter won two cups with.

Lewis also has twice the points while playing on the "4th" line. Their advanced stats seem to be almost identical across the board. So the only difference is that Lewis produced more with less. He does this while hitting more.

The team is +30 on the season. Everyone is positive except Monahan and Pitlick.
If there's anything that can use an upgrade, it's that line.

Some of Lewis's shot blocks have been absolutely clutch. He has saved at least 3 would-be goals in front of the net.

Pitlick is well known as a great PK guy and for the reasons Cali pointed out, he's a premier checker. Hits are not indicative of this (and that stat ignores the fact Pitlick was injured and has played 3 less games. The two lines play a different style. Lewis is on a hard forechecking line - of course he has more hits. But that's not what I'm talking about.

[Makarov]

Flames are really running on all cylinders right now, with the possible exception of that third line. Need to do something to get that more out of that line (especially Dube as he is really the most important part of that line IMO).

[sa226]

I have no issue whatsoever with Pitlick. I was hoping for a little more Offense from hom though. I thought that line with Backlund and Coleman had a ton of potential to be a really good line.

I just think he's playing a bit too high up the lineup for what he brings. The Monahan line isn't really doing much at all. I think Monahan is slowly becoming a better 200ft player, but in the Offensive zone, he's still trying to find the soft areas to await a pass for a scoring chance. Pitlick is not the guy to get him that pass.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You know the Flames must be good, when the strongest criticism from Oilers fans amounts to...

Just terrible. How is this team even winning with that?

Both of those stats correlate with high possession. You can't give the puck away if unless you have it to begin with, and you can't block a shot if the opponent doesn't have the puck (or think they have a lane).

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1463618800394424320

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1463618800394424320

They have those prevent stats and they've barely played the non-doormat teams yet!

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

They have those prevent stats and they've barely played the non-doormat teams yet!

I would love to see the trend on these numbers. Based on my viewings to date I feel like the Oilers have been steadily falling in most categories.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Ziggy Lidstrom

Solid win after a 7 game trip. Usually one takes the visitor in these scenarios. Chicago is pretty bad. It’s even better to see the flames buck the trend and put this one to bed.


It doesn’t even matter that he doesn’t score in the counting stat Columns, he makes life miserable for opposing offensive forays. He was so good even during last years misery of a season.

Gudbranson and Zadorov bring a lot of beef. It’s what’s for dinner in Calgary Apparently. Ranchers choice!

Update to 200: 132 goals required over final 62 games, or 2.13 goals per game.

As a reminder, the worst team in goals per game in each of the last two full seasons was Anaheim and Buffalo, both at 2.42 in 2018-19 and 2017-18, respectively.

2.13 is a 175 goal pace.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

They have those prevent stats and they've barely played the non-doormat teams yet!

.............and barely played on the road, where they don't get non-stop last changes.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Oh right. But I didn't live here and wasn't a Flame fan yet, so it doesn't count.

The 2001-02 Flames on November 25th ...


13-3-4-2

3-0-0-0 vs division
10-2-3-2 vs Conference

9-0-2-2 on home ice

66-49 in GF/GA

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I was watching him last night because he doesn't seem to do anything noteworthy, but then you see him skate his ass off everywhere. He is all over the ice disrupting plays and causing turnovers. He's highly effective at his role, just don't expect any earth-shattering plays from him.

Yeah he's always in the right spot. Always.

But then a huge opportunity comes his way and he handles the puck like a grenade.

He certainly fits and helps in this system. Ideally he would have better hands, but then you don't get that player for a 3rd round pick.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The 2001-02 Flames on November 25th ...


13-3-4-2

3-0-0-0 vs division
10-2-3-2 vs Conference

9-0-2-2 on home ice

66-49 in GF/GA

I was fully suckered in by that team but curious to know what some of the underlying metrics would have looked like--- clearly Iginla was in beast mode, but Turek was getting by a bit on smoke and mirrors likely

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by looooob

I was fully suckered in by that team but curious to know what some of the underlying metrics would have looked like--- clearly Iginla was in beast mode, but Turek was getting by a bit on smoke and mirrors likely

I seem to recall Turek admitting afterwards, in interviews, that he tried to change his game after signing his big contract extension, instead of just sticking to what got him there. Before the signing, he was a bargain-bin goalie who played like a multimillionaire. After, he was a multimillionaire who played like a bargain-bin goalie.

There were other factors, of course, but the Flames' season was basically over from the moment their goaltending switched off.

[Mr.Coffee]

Cannot wait for the next Flames Oilers rematch. Going to be awesome.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by looooob

I was fully suckered in by that team but curious to know what some of the underlying metrics would have looked like--- clearly Iginla was in beast mode, but Turek was getting by a bit on smoke and mirrors likely

Was Iggy really in beast mode? I don't remember. But he didn't seem to start to break out until the following season IIRC.

I remember riding high on the hot start but don't recall what was behind it. Would be interesting to revisit some post-mortems on that season.

I'm sure the Marc Savard/Greg Gilbert feud was just a symptom of something bigger wrong in the locker room which must have been a cause in the wheels coming off so catastrophically.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by icarus

Was Iggy really in beast mode? I don't remember. But he didn't seem to start to break out until the following season IIRC.

I remember riding high on the hot start but don't recall what was behind it. Would be interesting to revisit some post-mortems on that season.

I'm sure the Marc Savard/Greg Gilbert feud was just a symptom of something bigger wrong in the locker room which must have been a cause in the wheels coming off so catastrophically.

Yes. 52g 96p if I remember correctly.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Cannot wait for the next Flames Oilers rematch. Going to be awesome.

I'm a little worried with the rate we've been racking up penalties in the last 4-5 games.

[dying4acup]

Question: (and maybe this belongs in the Oliver thread) Does OK have (prime) Erik Karlssen upside? This is the comparison I had when OK was a top-5 prospect in his draft year.

Regarding the oilers, another poster mentioned road games, and I agree. In the past, the Oilers had to split McD and Drai for matchups on the road. Have they been playing together 5on5? And does their lineup changed in road games?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

Question: (and maybe this belongs in the Oliver thread) Does OK have (prime) Erik Karlssen upside? This is the comparison I had when OK was a top-5 prospect in his draft year.

Regarding the oilers, another poster mentioned road games, and I agree. In the past, the Oilers had to split McD and Drai for matchups on the road. Have they been playing together 5on5? And does their lineup changed in road games?

Karlsson put up 78 points as a 21 YO.

What are the chances that Kylington has a single 78 season? I would say pretty low, but would it ever be awesome if he proves me wrong!

[blender]

Originally Posted by icarus

Was Iggy really in beast mode? I don't remember. But he didn't seem to start to break out until the following season IIRC.

I remember riding high on the hot start but don't recall what was behind it. Would be interesting to revisit some post-mortems on that season.

I'm sure the Marc Savard/Greg Gilbert feud was just a symptom of something bigger wrong in the locker room which must have been a cause in the wheels coming off so catastrophically.

Yes, he was. I remember a buddy saying that when you have the best scorer and the best goalie at the same time its hard not to be tops in the league. Alas, the goaltending came undone.