[PGT] Flames blank Bruins 4-0. But team needs to score more, apparently

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by getbak

Through 19 games in 2018-19, the Flames had scored 58 goals and they had allowed 58 goals against.

Through 19 games this season, the Flames have scored 63 goals and have allowed 36 goals against.

Thanks - I thought so. Tighter team D, better goaltending, without sacrificing offence (which I suspect is spread out a tad more).

Peters’ early on team resembled the Oilers in that they suffered when the games got tighter in the second half and even more in the POs. I have a lot more confidence in the present team in the POs, barring injuries etc.

[The Yen Man]

I seem to recall Peter's team in 2019 getting lots of praise too. The playoffs really soured our perception of the season, but up until then, Flames were one of the toasts of the league under Peters. We had great underlying stats, two lines that were firing on all cylinders, and a back end supported by Gio that won the Norris that year.

It really was after the all star break, where the Flames were pretty much in cruise control, and guys stats started to fall back down that it began. Flames didn't back into a playoff spot, but were not playing their best, and then got rolled by an Avs team that found their game in the playoffs.

Early into the season, Flames were just as hype as the Flames are now IMO, minus the shutout stat. People just have short memories, and recency bias is definitely a thing.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Good grief -- Johnny making hits and playing pretty damn good defensive hockey? This looks to me like a team that is "fully bought it". Hope they can stay the course.

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this is a minor observation but I don't know where else to put it, driving around before the game listened to 'flames strategy' or whatever it is called where Derek Wills interviews a flame prior to the game, and he was interviewing Johnny


it was full of the usual pregame questions, including a lot of praise thrown Johnny and the team's way. Now normally I find (and this is not a critique of him, its true of >90% of players) Johnny's answers to be as generic as the questions themselves- but I found him this time to be a bit more thoughtful and reflective of his own play but also the team- some of that is likely just a reflection of maturation, he's in his late 20s after all now, but also felt like maybe there was a recognition or embracing of a new way of playing the game


I don't know like I say it was a puff interview shouldn't over interpret but I remember noting this before the game, and then to see the team (and 13s line) go out and do what they did...

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’d like to know the goal differential for the Peters versus Sutter teams. I suspect it’s heavily in favour of the latter. And I think goal differential is a big indicator of overall team quality.

That team had a slow start fwiw. They were insanely good from November thru January though... from the blowout loss to the Penguins through to the ASB they looked as good as ever and Peters was a huge part of that with perfect roster management. Rittich took over as 1G too over that period.

Then after the ASB, they kind of coasted off the Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway line down the stretch, Peters was too fixed on a handful of icecold line combos, and the Fantenberg acquisition had them playing a boring, inneffective style more often than when the guy he was replacing was in. Smith was weened back into the 1G spot even though the team played better without his overhandling of the puck.

[direwolf]

Lol @ Oiler fans in the ATL saying they would beat us in a 7 game series based on "talent alone."

Talent alone doesn't win championships, bud. A commitment to team defence, being able to roll 4 lines consistently, and good goaltending is what makes a team successful in the playoffs. The Oiler goalies have been decent lately, I'll give them that. But defensively that team is still an absolute tire fire.

Their entire game plan revolves around getting the puck to McDangles in the hopes that he and Drai can outscore their opponent in a run & gun river hockey type scenario where those guys are playing 25+ minutes a night with lots of PPs and 3 on 3 OT. It's worked for them so far in this regular season with their butter soft schedule. But in a tight playoff series when everything is on the line and teams are playing desperate, relying on talent alone just ain't gonna cut it. So many seasons of failure from these clowns and they just never learn.

[Toonage]

^ LMAO on talent alone.

That crew couldn't beat the Blackhawks, couldn't beat the Jets....

"Talent alone" is one of the reasons Torts is saying McDavid needs to change how he plays in the spring.

If individual talent won championships, Ron MacLean would be drunk off of all the wine he's consumed telling us about all the cups he knew the Oil would win.

[SuperMatt18]

Nothing drives me crazy than Oilers fans being so smug about their "talent"

RNH - 1st Overall
Nurse - 7th Overall
Draisaitl - 3rd Overall
McDavid - 1st Overall
Puljujarvi - 4th Overall
Bouchard - 10th Overall
Broberg - 8th Overall

Between 2010 and 2018 the only players drafted outside the First Round they have playing on their roster are Benson and Macleod who have combined for a whole 2 points this season.

All of their talent is a direct result of unprecedented sucking for 10 years and all the top 10 picks they've made.

[Galakanokis]

It's times like these I miss working for the Canucks. I would have the biggest #### eating grin on my face as I walked the hallways.

[undercoverbrother]

Sorry haven't read the whole thread, but has there been any discussion about our shut outs?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sorry haven't read the whole thread, but has there been any discussion about our shut outs?

I think we might have managed a couple here and there.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think we might have managed a couple here and there.

and we agree it is a good thing right???

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GhostCookie

One of the things I feel is different is that the 2019 Peters team was invested heavily on one line tearing it up, and Gio being a Norris beast. While there may have been defined roles, there never appeared to be a commitment to defense across all 200' of ice, and once the top line wasn't top anymore in the playoffs, things went how one can expect. It's exactly why McDrai hasn't been hoisting a cup year after year, or any team that has hasn't gotten there completely on the backs of one line. If the other team can key in on one or two players and it nullifies your game, you wont have success. What Darryl is doing here is holding the team responsible for the whole game, and so far the team is buying in and staying committed. Hence why we aren't needing our top line to win every game for us, and we have so much scoring spread out across the gamesheet.

This is not at all my recollection.

Yes, the top line was fantastic, but in 2018–19 Backlund scored at a +50-point pace, and Tkachuk scored 34G and 77pts all on the second line. The Flames had ten forwards that year with +10 goals, and eight forwards with +30 points. The 2018–19 team was not just a one-trick pony.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I seem to recall Peter's team in 2019 getting lots of praise too. The playoffs really soured our perception of the season, but up until then, Flames were one of the toasts of the league under Peters. We had great underlying stats, two lines that were firing on all cylinders, and a back end supported by Gio that won the Norris that year.

It really was after the all star break, where the Flames were pretty much in cruise control, and guys stats started to fall back down that it began. Flames didn't back into a playoff spot, but were not playing their best, and then got rolled by an Avs team that found their game in the playoffs.

Early into the season, Flames were just as hype as the Flames are now IMO, minus the shutout stat. People just have short memories, and recency bias is definitely a thing.

Similar results, but such different teams and styles. That team could run and gun with nearly anyone for the first half of that season. Much improved defensively, but the career seasons by half our lineup was the chatter.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

and we agree it is a good thing right???

Personally I'm rather fond of them, but my understanding is that fewer goals scored is bad for the NHL product as a whole and as such Mr. Bettman may be taking a file to Vader and Markstrom's skates prior to games to slow them down somewhat.

Perhaps make them play with normal sticks instead of a goalie's paddle?

There were even unsubstantiated rumours of replacing their glove with a baseball catcher's mitt....

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is not at all my recollection.

Yes, the top line was fantastic, but in 2018–19 Backlund scored at a +50-point pace, and Tkachuk scored 34G and 77pts all on the second line. The Flames had ten forwards that year with +10 goals, and eight forwards with +30 points. The 2018–19 team was not just a one-trick pony.

The Flames' fourth line with Mangiapane, Ryan, and Hathaway carried that team after the trade deadline.

[Enoch Root]

For me, 2018/19 was a tale of two seasons.

Up until the all-star break, or thereabouts, they were fantastic - and they played very much like this team does: fast tempo, pressure the puck all over the ice, forecheck like crazy.

But then their style changed, the speed and pressure disappeared, and they began that two year, two coach period of playing really slowly, and chipping the puck from zone to zone. There has been lots of talk that Peters and the coaching staff determined that they needed to change their style of play to be successful in the playoffs. I have never seen confirmation of this, but their style definitely changed.

Until that time, I thought Peters did a great job. But (along with that), my other big issue with him was that, when things started to go bad against Colorado, he had no answers. His ability to adapt was non-existent.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

and we agree it is a good thing right???

No, I think we came to the conclusion that the only thing worse than winning with a shutout is not winning with a shutout.

[Draug]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

While I do agree that Sutter is a great coach, I am curious as to why he's getting praised so much more than Peters' 2018-2019 season. Are we that confident this team is getting 50+ wins, 107+ points this year? More importantly, are we sure we're getting out of the first round? They're playing well, sure, but it seems a bit premature?

Yes, Yes, and Yes?

I'm still very cautiously optimistic after being a Flames fan for decades, but I'm getting there! It's an amazing start.

Pretty soon, the amazing start may become an amazing season, and then an amazing playoffs.

Peters doesn't get the same admiration because of the Never-Break-a-Sweat and Not-Even-close 5 game demolition exit by the Avs in Round 1.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That team had a slow start fwiw. They were insanely good from November thru January though... from the blowout loss to the Penguins through to the ASB they looked as good as ever and Peters was a huge part of that with perfect roster management. Rittich took over as 1G too over that period.

Then after the ASB, they kind of coasted off the Mangiapane-Ryan-Hathaway line down the stretch, Peters was too fixed on a handful of icecold line combos, and the Fantenberg acquisition had them playing a boring, inneffective style more often than when the guy he was replacing was in. Smith was weened back into the 1G spot even though the team played better without his overhandling of the puck.

The Fantenberg Acquistion sounds like a movie ... sequel to the Manhattan Project?

But seriously I don't think the coach's choice between two or three guys for defenseman #6 was the driving force in changing the entire team's entire play towards boring and ineffective.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Flames' fourth line with Mangiapane, Ryan, and Hathaway carried that team after the trade deadline.

TBF though after the TDL the team just wasn’t that great. The fact the Ryan line was “carrying” them isn’t a good sign.