2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

People keep saying this and I’ve yet to see the evidence. He hasn’t made Columbus a contender - they spin their wheels as much as the Flames have. And, for such a shrewd deal, Monahan outscored Domi last year, with less games and a bad hip. And is outscoring him this year, though Domi has been out a lot TBF.

The terse response was about Monahan’s 200 foot game, which anyone can see has improved. It was a post driven entirely by narrative.

No one expects 2018-19 Monahan. If he was doing that, there would be no issue. He’s producing under his contract value, but he’s doing good things on the ice.

Agreed, I don’t think Monahan should be left for dead, he is still somewhat effective, but I think it’s more likely than not his best days are behind him, and not just 2017-18. His foot speed has always been an issue and maybe he has lost a step post surgery, I don’t know. He used to be lethal in the slot and we just have not seen that for a while. Hard to say if he still has that attribute in him. In any event, he’s no longer the top C on this team and I’m I don’t think he’s the second best C either.

Regardless, I think a Monahan for Schmaltz deal would benefit the Flames. Does it make sense for Arizona? probably not, unless there’s a young roster player/prospect/pick attached to it and they can manage to flip Monahan for more prospects/picks.

On Kekalinen, I would say he’s a pretty good GM. He has built some of the deepest goaltending depth in the league, I think the Jones deal will work out favourably for them, and they have drafted well over his tenure to name a few reasons why. With three first rounds picks last year and two this year, their rebuild could be a V, opposed to a U. I wouldn’t go so far to say he’s an upper tier GM without the on ice success to back it up but he can certainly hold his own.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

I wonder if a deal around Monahan + picks/prospects to Seattle for Yanne Gourde could be possible?

He's scrappy, good skater, sound defensively, and drives play much better than Monahan.
Doesn't hurt having your top 3 centers being good defensively. He might be a realistic option.

We would also save 1.2 million + in cap space while improving our overall team.

[Heavy Jack]

Reuniting Gourde with Coleman could be an incredible move as Mangiapane is considerably better than Goodrow.

Coleman - Gourde - Mangiapane

[Heavy Jack]

Monahan + 1st + Valimaki

For

Gourde + Gio 50% retained

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Coleman - Gourde - Mangiapane
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Hanafin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Giordano - Gudbranson
Zadorov

Markstrom
Vladar

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Monahan + 1st + Valimaki

For

Gourde + Gio 50% retained

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Coleman - Gourde - Mangiapane
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Hanafin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Giordano - Gudbranson
Zadorov

Markstrom
Vladar

I love this lineup.
Go all in at the deadline and see where Daryl can take this squad!

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Monahan + 1st + Valimaki

For

Gourde + Gio 50% retained

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Coleman - Gourde - Mangiapane
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Hanafin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Giordano - Gudbranson
Zadorov

Markstrom
Vladar

Holy overpayment batman.

Take out the 1st, Valimaki alone is still good enough to get you one of those.

[Heavy Jack]

Well that’s different! Usually I’m a Homer on these lol

Gourde at 5.1 mill for the rest of this year and the next 3 is pretty good value though and with how Monahan is perceived around here I don’t think he holds much value. Nor does the 1st have as much value as it could if the flames continue to hang around at the top or Valimaki if he continues to sit out games.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Holy overpayment batman.

Take out the 1st, Valimaki alone is still good enough to get you one of those.

I think the deal is Monahan + 1st for Gourde which seems fair with two years left of term.

Giordano will likely be in high demand come deadline and could return a 1st rounder on his own. I don't think it's that far off.

[SportsJunky]

Calgary get Kravstov
LA get Valimaki
NYR get Vilardi

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Dude Where's Makar?

I think the deal is Monahan + 1st for Gourde which seems fair with two years left of term.

Giordano will likely be in high demand come deadline and could return a 1st rounder on his own. I don't think it's that far off.

The term on Gourde doesn't even help us sign the four offseason issues, which is the primary reason to trade Monahan.

And while reuniting Coleman and Gourde might sound appealing, ultimately they were a line that benefited from playing a 3rd line role behing Killorn, Palat, Kucherov, Stamkos, and Cirelli. They probably wouldn't have the same productiveness as a second line. Backlund is fine as Coleman and Mangiapane's centre.

As for Gio, I love the guy, but at his age he needs a partner like Brodie or Tanev. Gudbranson is not that. We saw the Gio-Andersson pairing flop pretty spectacularly last year, because of a lack of footspeed.

It's not worth overpaying for Gio unless you're a team that has a partner for Gio that truly makes sense (e.g. Florida has Brandon Montour or Toronto has Timothy Liljegren)

If I were Treliving I'd be trying to acquire someone like Erik Brannstrom to play alongside Gudbranson.

[Knightslayer]

Don't want Gio back at all. Don't mess with a good thing.

One thing I noticed with Gio gone is the PK seems a lot better because the defenceman are actually protecting the net and not chasing guys into the corner.

Gio used to chase guys on the PK a lot and would lead to breakdowns.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Dude Where's Makar?

I wonder if a deal around Monahan + picks/prospects to Seattle for Yanne Gourde could be possible?

He's scrappy, good skater, sound defensively, and drives play much better than Monahan.
Doesn't hurt having your top 3 centers being good defensively. He might be a realistic option.

We would also save 1.2 million + in cap space while improving our overall team.

I can’t think of one good reason why Seattle would trade Gourde.

And, no, Monahan, is not a good reason.

As you said, Calgary gets the cheaper, better player.

Which means, Seattle gets the worse more expensive player.


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[FlamesAddiction]

I was thinking it is probably only a matter of time until Montreal blows it up and guys like Gallagher and Anderson would probably be good fits on a Sutter team, but then I looked at their contracts, both salary and term... woof. They're even too long for them to consider salary retention.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Monahan + 1st + Valimaki

For

Gourde + Gio 50% retained

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Coleman - Gourde - Mangiapane
Dube - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis

Hanafin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Giordano - Gudbranson
Zadorov

Markstrom
Vladar

Gio is washed. I don’t want him back here.

[Moneyhands23]

https://www.nhl.com/player/jordan-eberle-8474586

This guy may be an option for the right side

[Roof-Daddy]

If we're getting a RW, sign me up for a Sutter/Toffoli reunion please

His contract isn't even bad really.

[Monahammer]

Y'all are nuts. Monahan > gourde already. And gourde is older.

Love the kravtsov or vilardi suggestions. I think all in move is forsberg

[Monahammer]

Let's bring up pelletier though. Dube-monahan-pelletier is probably a bit better than pitlick there.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If we're getting a RW, sign me up for a Sutter/Toffoli reunion please

His contract isn't even bad really.

I'd rather take a chance on Filip Forsberg than Tyler Toffoli, tbqh

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Don't want Gio back at all. Don't mess with a good thing.

One thing I noticed with Gio gone is the PK seems a lot better because the defenceman are actually protecting the net and not chasing guys into the corner.

Gio used to chase guys on the PK a lot and would lead to breakdowns.

I think Gio would help this team a lot. Gio even at his current age, does everything at an above average level. I could create a list, but it would take a while and the game is about to start.

But all you need to know, is that the current coach Darryl Sutter called Gio the best defenseman on the team last season and the way Darryl utilized him proves that. Gio under Sutter was promoted, was used in all situations, played 24 minutes a night and flourished.

The only issue in my mind is cost. If Gio wants to be paid, I'm not sure the Flames have the cap to accommodate that.