2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I doubt it’s just fans. NHL GMs aren’t dumb. Given his play over the last three seasons, Monahan is firmly in the reclamation project stage of his career. No GM is going to trade for Monahan thinking he’s going to get the 82 pt player of 2018-19, anymore then he would trade for Jeff Skinner expecting to get the 40 goal scorer of 2018-19.

It’s funny, but I pitched a Monahan for Schmaltz+ deal on this forum two off-seasons ago, and people shat all over it.

Last year a lot of people here wrote Tarasenko off in trade proposals. Figured he was done.

Now I don’t see a lot of reason for Arizona to make a Monahan trade. I don’t see where he fits in their team building.

[Bongsong]

Monahan + Valimaki

For

Kravtsov + Schneider

[Monahammer]

Keep Monahan. He's been great on the pp lately and I think will be solid well into the playoffs. He's historically one of our best playoff performers.

Valimaki for kravstov sounds like dynamite.

Dube+valimaki if sweetener is needed with another small add on their end

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm not saying Monahan's value hasn't dropped, but what has Schmaltz done that makes him more valuable than Monahan at this point?

Even in a down year, playing with injuries, Monahan still produced as much as Schmaltz last season. And their career numbers aren't even comparable.

Comparing scoring stats gives us only part of the picture. Half of the game is played without the puck, and Monahan is poor at forechecking, back-checking, cycling, coming back deep to support the D. He’s a one dimensional player. Schmaltz isn’t a superstar, but he can skate well, carry the puck, check, and do all of the things expected of an NHL centre that Monahan struggles with.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Comparing scoring stats gives us only part of the picture. Half of the game is played without the puck, and Monahan is poor at forechecking, back-checking, cycling, coming back deep to support the D. He’s a one dimensional player. Schmaltz isn’t a superstar, but he can skate well, carry the puck, check, and do all of the things expected of an NHL centre that Monahan struggles with.

lol ok. If you say so

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Comparing scoring stats gives us only part of the picture. Half of the game is played without the puck, and Monahan is poor at forechecking, back-checking, cycling, coming back deep to support the D. He’s a one dimensional player. Schmaltz isn’t a superstar, but he can skate well, carry the puck, check, and do all of the things expected of an NHL centre that Monahan struggles with.

This entire season under Sutter has been about making sure Monahan concentrated on the defensive side of his game. He didn't move up in the lineup until Sutter was satisfied, and it's visually a difference in Monahan's game to watch him on the ice. He is playing better under Sutter. I'm not saying that the defensive side is a strength, but it's not the weakness that people are making it out to be. Not this year.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I know I mentioned Dube yesterday not realizing how high the salary coming back is. However, what about Monahan + Valimaki for Keller

Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mangiapane-Dube-Keller
Lucic-Backlund-Coleman

I don’t see it. Keller is an intriguing player and had Tkachuk not fallen to the Flames in 2016, it has been speculated by Friedman that the Flames did like Keller.

That said the Flames seem to have a surplus of small-ish LHS forwards; Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Dube. If Gaudreau walks at seasons end, perhaps Keller becomes a trade target.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol ok. If you say so

Good response.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Good response.

Thanks

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Keep Monahan. He's been great on the pp lately and I think will be solid well into the playoffs. He's historically one of our best playoff performers.

Valimaki for kravstov sounds like dynamite.

Dube+valimaki if sweetener is needed with another small add on their end

Don’t know man, I’m skeptical.

Monahan has 9 points on the year, 7 on the PP. he has no even strength goals and only 23 SOG. You would have to squint pretty hard to see any return to 2018.

Take it for what it’s worth, but Pinder has been saying the Flames have had Monahan on the table for a couple years now. I think it has been commonly speculated that Treliving’s pursuit of Josh Anderson included Monahan as part of the package and Kekolinen, who is a pretty shrewd GM, went with the package that included Domi. That’s somewhat telling how the Flames and others around the league view him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Don’t know man, I’m skeptical.

Monahan has 9 points on the year, 7 on the PP. he has no even strength goals and only 23 SOG. You would have to squint pretty hard to see any return to 2018.

Take it for what it’s worth, but Pinder has been saying the Flames have had Monahan on the table for a couple years now. I think it has been commonly speculated that Treliving’s pursuit of Josh Anderson included Monahan as part of the package and Kekolinen, who is a pretty shrewd GM, went with the package that included Domi. That’s somewhat telling how the Flames and others around the league view him.

People keep saying this and I’ve yet to see the evidence. He hasn’t made Columbus a contender - they spin their wheels as much as the Flames have. And, for such a shrewd deal, Monahan outscored Domi last year, with less games and a bad hip. And is outscoring him this year, though Domi has been out a lot TBF.

The terse response was about Monahan’s 200 foot game, which anyone can see has improved. It was a post driven entirely by narrative.

No one expects 2018-19 Monahan. If he was doing that, there would be no issue. He’s producing under his contract value, but he’s doing good things on the ice.

[TheChief]

After losing out on Eichel I am really hoping we can use our "Sutter" connection to land Kopitar at the deadline. Its a big time pipe dream I know but he would look great down the middle for us.

[GioforPM]

I like Kopitar a lot. But he’s 34, makes $10M/year AAV for 2 more years after this one (though less in real dollars) and has a 7 team MNTC. I doubt Calgary is on his list, Sutter or no.

[442scotty]

Sutter is giving Monahan a chance to restart/rebuild his career after years of being tied to Gaudreau. I’d like to see where this goes before we stick a fork in him. Injuries haven’t helped obviously.

[Mass_nerder]

I've seen a lot of speculation that, with the pens being bought, the new ownership group may be wanting to take them in a new direction.
Do they make Crosby/Malkin available?
I can't imagine how silly the ask would be though.

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Sutter is giving Monahan a chance to restart/rebuild his career after years of being tied to Gaudreau. I’d like to see where this goes before we stick a fork in him. Injuries haven’t helped obviously.

I actually think Monahan is being protected against injury vs given and opportunity. Limited 5v5 time while deployed on the powerplay. Sutter wants a full year with him, vs. having him play through injuries 1/2 the season and playoffs and us find out he needs to rehab even more injuries over the summer.




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[genetic_phreek]

Sheesh Monahan for Schmaltz? Yikes.

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by Southside403

Lawson would be great add playing last year of his contact. wonder what the cost would be to get him what he is looking for new contract. Pretty sure Tre has flip every rock in Arizona

If I’m not mistaken, this is the guy who was really hoping the flames drafted him, isn’t it? Was a flames fan, talking to this in a pre-draft clip. Or it was Dal Colle… I thought I remember the player being drafted by the Islanders and have been watching to see if the kid winds up signing with the flames eventually.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Sheesh Monahan for Schmaltz? Yikes.

I would make that trade. He's a right hand shot and at 25 probably has a career year ahead of him. I don't see why the Coyotes make the deal unless they want to take a shorter term contract. I think Monahan could still be a valuable piece in the playoffs as he's good on the powerplay and is depth but it's clear he's no longer a core player.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I like Kopitar a lot. But he’s 34, makes $10M/year AAV for 2 more years after this one (though less in real dollars) and has a 7 team MNTC. I doubt Calgary is on his list, Sutter or no.

Plus the acquisition cost would be huge, although it's exceptionally unlikely LA would even consider moving him.

He's playing superb hockey these days.

His cost would start with the equivalent of 2 first round picks, high cap hit or not.

For a number of reasons, this ain't happening.