Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

$11 for Johnny, $10 for Matthew, $8.5 for Lindholm, $5M for Mangiapane = $34.5M

Mangiapane is not signing for 5 at this rate.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

$11 for Johnny, $10 for Matthew, $8.5 for Lindholm, $5M for Mangiapane = $34.5M

If Mangiapane's agent is even halfway good at his job, #88 will get more than $5M.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Mangiapane is not signing for 5 at this rate.

Probably not. So we're at $35.5M minimum for three wingers and Lindholm.

That's why I said $35-40M.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

$11 for Johnny, $10 for Matthew, $8.5 for Lindholm, $5M for Mangiapane = $34.5M

Lindholm makes $4.8 million until 2023-24.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

$11 for Johnny, $10 for Matthew, $8.5 for Lindholm, $5M for Mangiapane = $34.5M

LOL worried about 2024 are you?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Mangiapane is not signing for 5 at this rate.

Is he really going to score 50+ though

we will see what the rate is

[Knightslayer]

Yeah I highly doubt Mangiapane gets more than $5 million. Lindholm scored more, was younger, and got less.

[GreenLantern2814]

If you lose Gaudreau, and Tkachuk accepts his $9M golden parachute to UFA, why are you not immediately selling Lindholm to the highest bidder while he makes $4.6M and is under contract until 2024?

If you keep 13 and 19, presumably you want to keep Lindholm as well for the bulk of both those deals, which is going to cost you.

Extending Gaudreau @ $11M, Tkachuk @ $10M and Mangiapane @ $6M means you're paying $27M for three wingers, only one of whom is a top-20 player.

If/when you do extend Lindholm, you're paying $35.5-37.5M for four players that couldn't get anything done when they cost $14-16.5M less.

This is what happens when your organization has no long-term plan or vision for what they want to accomplish.

[Kipper_3434]

Johnny: 9m, Tkachuk 9m , mangiapane 5m, Lindholm 4.8m = 27.8m

For 2022-2023

Johnny 9m, Tkachuk (gone), Lindholm 4.8m, Mangiapane 5m . = 18.8m + lots of deadweight gone (Lucic) .

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Johnny: 9m, Tkachuk 9m , mangiapane 5m, Lindholm 4.8m = 27.8m

For 2022-2023

Johnny 9m, Tkachuk (gone), Lindholm 4.8m, Mangiapane 5m . = 18.8m + lots of deadweight gone (Lucic) .

Johnny Gaudreau is not signing for $9M.

The Flyers would sign him for $10M without blinking. They'd punt Giroux like it's 4th and 30.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's not really fair though, is it. He's paid under $5M, nowhere near what top offensive Dmen are paid. He's paid similar to Tanev, Oleksiak, Sanheim, Brodie, Pulock, etc.

He's paid according to what he is - a minute eating all purpose defenceman who can defend and move the puck. Who is 23. He's going to be more of a Tanev than a Gio IMO.

I would argue that it's not fair to compare defensemen some of the defensemen you listed i.e. Tanev, Oleksiak, Brodie and etc because they're getting paid for their UFA years whereas Hanifin is not. He's also turning 25 in a couple months and is probably closer to "he is what he is" category, which is a good skater, but not a driver in any area on the ice.

People on CP can make up their own minds on what he really is which isn't really the question i'm ultimately trying to raise anyway. My main point is that money needs to be moved out for next season and in my opinion, Hanifin's contract is one of the ones at the forefront.

As an aside, I'll make this as clear as possible, I'm not saying Hanifin needs to go because he's been bad this season. It's more so about the team's cap situation, value per dollar and supply vs demand. I mean sure, I'd love to shed Lucic's contract next season instead of Hanifin, but nobody is taking that albatross nor can it be bought out for any significant savings. With a flat cap, teams will also be reluctant to take on money, so you have to give teams a "reason" to take on money and Hanifin can be one of those "reasons."

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hanifin has developed into a very solid shutdown Dman and there is not a replacement in place. I am so happy Kylington has done what he has done but it has been 15 games.

This is a thin blueline. So much junk up front I don’t agree they can trade a top pairing Dman right now just not expendable. Is Zadorov or Valimaki now in the top 4? Kylington goes from press box to number 1 LHD in 15 games?

I am not with you there when I see so many worse contracts contributing less.

I would prefer to buy out Monahan next summer then ship Hanifin out unless we see leaps and bounds improvement from Valimaki

I'm not saying they should trade him right now. The Flames aren't in cap hell just yet. It's a suggestion for next season. Teams who are in tough/tight cap situations have to compensate by taking hits elsewhere and in my opinion, Hanifin's position might have to be one of those. Can the Flames trade Hanifin and find a much cheaper comparable? Yes, I think it's possible.

Whereas, if the Flames tried to do the same with Gaudreau, very unlikely to go well.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Johnny Gaudreau is not signing for $9M.

The Flyers would sign him for $10M without blinking. They'd punt Giroux like it's 4th and 30.

Why because he played really good in a game in Philly.

We have no idea if Philly has interest in JG at all, let alone at 10 mil

[Fire]

Maybe we should wait to see if Gaudreau disappoints once again in the playoffs before giving him $11 million per season.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

No, they look at their team and are honest about it. Hanifin won't be here in 2 years

You know this how?

and is on a good contract and lots of teams in win now mode would give up a lot for him especially if there is term left.

But he's replaceable by any random tweener defenceman on the Flames and they wouldn't miss a beat. Gotcha.

Seems like a perfect opportunity to cash in and get some assets and build for the future while remaining competitive.

Sorry, either he's good enough to have that kind of trade value, or bad enough to be that easy to replace. Not both.

Pick a lane.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Fire

Maybe we should wait to see if Gaudreau disappoints once again in the playoffs before giving him $11 million per season.

What we should do is give him another elite player to work with, along with $11M.

[djsFlames]

If things are going well in Philly which it appears they are of late under AV, why would they go out of their way to move a big contract player just to be a bidder in the Gaudreau sweepstakes (if it happens), just cause they have a hunch Gaudreau would want to come home and take what they'd be willing to offer?

Easy to come to the idea from afar, but not every situation plays out like a Tavares-Toronto storybook outcome. Its just not that simple. So many things play into it. And it's based on the assumption that a team that already employs a Konecny in its top six has an appetite for a Gaudreau also.

The more you think about it beyond a surface level and scratch the practical aspects of it, the less likely it seems.

The whole narrative seems more fear driven than anything concrete.

[blender]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If things are going well in Philly which it appears they are of late under AV, why would they go out of their way to move a big contract player just to be a bidder in the Gaudreau sweepstakes (if it happens), just cause they have a hunch Gaudreau would want to come home and take what they'd be willing to offer?

Easy to come to the idea from afar, but not every situation plays out like a Tavares-Toronto storybook outcome. Its just not that simple. So many things play into it. And it's based on the assumption that a team that already employs a Konecny in its top six has an appetite for a Gaudreau also.

The more you think about it beyond a surface level and scratch the practical aspects of it, the less likely it seems.

The whole narrative seems more fear driven than anything concrete.

CP is the home of the fear-driven narrative.

That said, if Johnny Hockey goes UFA, he will garner plenty of interest. He would improve every team in the league. Not every team could find a way to fit him under the cap, but I believe most would try.

[heep223]

Please sign Gaudreau. He is the straw that stirs the drink in this forward group. This team absolutely needs him.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by heep223

Please sign Gaudreau. He is the straw that stirs the drink in this forward group. This team absolutely needs him.

This basically sums it up perfectly. Get it done Treliving.