Kyle Rittenhouse Trial - Update: Acquitted On All Charges

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Locke

Does Rittenhouse just pick up his rifle from the evidence locker, strap it on, walk outside the Courthouse and join in?

But we know it would be to provide "medical assistanc3" and anything that may happen would be as a result of "self defence"

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Locke

Does Rittenhouse just pick up his rifle from the evidence locker, strap it on, walk outside the Courthouse and join in?

[Matata]

Originally Posted by handgroen

I wonder how much precious precious property will be destroyed in the protests to the rittenhouse not guilty verdict

You can join in from home by simply destroying things around the house and sharing photos of it to social media with the appropriate hashtags. Once you've destroyed enough of your property to properly express your sympathies with the protestors, you can simply call insurance and they'll take of it, no problem.

[PeteMoss]

Maybe I'm a way off but I don't particularly think there will be riots at a large scale. Not really a racial issue.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Maybe I'm a way off but I don't particularly think there will be riots at a large scale. Not really a racial issue.

Plus it’s too cold now. Ever notice that those things tend to happen when the weather nice?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Plus it’s too cold now. Ever notice that those things tend to happen when the weather nice?

Lol...."We only Riot in the summer!"

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Plus it’s too cold now. Ever notice that those things tend to happen when the weather nice?

I'd be more concerned about the verdict in Ahmed Aubrey trial if you are worried about riots.

[Firebot]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/us/ky...day/index.html

I've stayed away from commenting on this case since it's extremely polarizing and tensions are high and knowing that politics are heavily involved in a legal case, regardless of morality involved into the armed killings (whether the argument is in self defense or not, everything relating to that night was deplorable).

A news reporter deliberately following a jury sealed bus in an attempt to identify, harass and tamper with the jury is unconscionable. There is no justification for it.

The judge will have no choice but to issue a mistrial no matter the verdict the way this has played (along with the underhanded methods used by the prosecution sneaking barred evidence in the case which may allow the mistrial with prejudice motion to be ruled on). The way this will remain unresolved is the worst case scenario.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/us/ky...day/index.html

I've stayed away from commenting on this case since it's extremely polarizing and tensions are high and knowing that politics are heavily involved in a legal case, regardless of morality involved into the armed killings (whether the argument is in self defense or not, everything relating to that night was deplorable).

A news reporter deliberately following a jury sealed bus in an attempt to identify, harass and tamper with the jury is unconscionable. There is no justification for it.

The judge will have no choice but to issue a mistrial no matter the verdict the way this has played (along with the underhanded methods used by the prosecution sneaking barred evidence in the case which may allow the mistrial with prejudice motion to be ruled on). The way this will remain unresolved is the worst case scenario.

lol, are you concerned the world has been eagerly awaiting "firebot's" two cents on this, but have kept yourself in check thus far?

[Azure]

The fact that people are following them home is definitely concerning because it affects their ability to issue a fair verdict.

Especially now that MSNBC has been kicked out of the courtroom. What a mess.

What is the precedent here?

[Fuzz]

The precedent for a #### show public trial where justice is ultimately never served? Thinking OJ.

[PeteMoss]

Why would it have to be a mistrial? I obviously don't know the Wisconsin jury rules but I've seen US jury members talk to the media after a trial before.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Why would it have to be a mistrial? I obviously don't know the Wisconsin jury rules but I've seen US jury members talk to the media after a trial before.

They are in middle of deliberations, in a highly controversial case where death threats against jurors from the 'side' that loses are likely, and one of the main media networks has been caught trying to find the jurors identities and make it into a story.

Jury tempering is considered a felony in most states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_tampering

An incident with jurors identities already happened in this trial already. Several jurors have already expressed fear of their identities being released.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-ritt...y-video-delete

Then you have articles like this and you have a pattern.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/16/us/co...ial/index.html

Jury and trial consultant Jo-Ellan Dimitrius, known for having developed the juror profile in O.J. Simpson's trial, has worked "hand in hand" with attorneys representing Kyle Rittenhouse in his trial to help develop a jury profile that would best fit their case, her firm Dimitrius & Associates told CNN.

The media has been trying really hard to push the notion the jurors selected would be sympathetic to RH (much as how the media has questioned the judge's mannerism continuously including the jury lottery).

MSNBC's booking producer Irene Byon identified as the one requesting the reporter to follow the bus has since deleted all social media.

[Azure]

The media angle is whatever, but jury tampering, manipulation, threatening.....should all be a cause for mistrial.

There is no way the jury is not tainted at this point. And why shouldn't they be? They never asked for this BS.

[Aarongavey]

Pro Rittenhouse supporter had to leave the protest because he brought his AR-15 to the protest and it was within 1000 feet of a school. I imagine he was confused about whether you can walk around with an AR-15

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.news...d8f87e39%3famp

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Firebot

They are in middle of deliberations, in a highly controversial case where death threats against jurors from the 'side' that loses are likely, and one of the main media networks has been caught trying to find the jurors identities and make it into a story.

Jury tempering is considered a felony in most states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_tampering

An incident with jurors identities already happened in this trial already. Several jurors have already expressed fear of their identities being released.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/kyle-ritt...y-video-delete

Then you have articles like this and you have a pattern.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/16/us/co...ial/index.html



The media has been trying really hard to push the notion the jurors selected would be sympathetic to RH (much as how the media has questioned the judge's mannerism continuously including the jury lottery).

MSNBC's booking producer Irene Byon identified as the one requesting the reporter to follow the bus has since deleted all social media.

How are they tampering? I doubt the guy following them was going to try to convince them to decide a certain way.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Pro Rittenhouse supporter had to leave the protest because he brought his AR-15 to the protest and it was within 1000 feet of a school. I imagine he was confused about whether you can walk around with an AR-15

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.news...d8f87e39%3famp

What's messed up is he was not allowed simply due to a technicality that a school was near, without the school it was perfectly legal to be armed in front of a courthouse. That's the ludicrousness of US state gun laws.

This whole trial is messed up and technically everything RH did was legal, which is messed up entirely. You can be armed with an assault rifle at a riot and kill people in self defence and it's perfectly fine, as long as they are not within 1000 ft of a school of course.

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

How are they tampering? I doubt the guy following them was going to try to convince them to decide a certain way.

There is literally zero justification for a news reporter to run red lights and chase / stalk a sealed jury bus, on orders of a major news network producer that has since erased all social media trace of her existence.

People have gone to jail on jury tampering for far far less. It can be as simple as taking photos, giving a pamphlet or asking jurors questions about a case.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/jury_tampering

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/c...s/201712150133

[PeteMoss]

The link you gave is a defendant's dad telling a juror that he loves his son and he needs his help. That is tampering, trying to get a juror to go in a certain direction.

What this media guy did may be illegal but unless you think he's trying to get the jury to decide in one way or another, it's not tampering or a reason for a mistrial.

[Firebot]

The reporter was not chasing the bus and running red lights to keep chase to tell them they had a broken taillight...

Identifying where the jurors are located, identifying the jurors, taking photos, yelling questions. These are all things that can be seen as tampering and at least one of these was the likely motivation.

The courts and authorities will decide if jury tampering occurs after an investigation in the incident. If a pamphlet can convict a person of jury tampering (recently overturned on a technicality), being caught unlawfully chasing down a sealed jury bus of a highly controversial case is enough as well.

Burden of proof is much lesser on such a charge.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The reporter was not chasing the bus and running red lights to keep chase to tell them they had a broken taillight...

Identifying where the jurors are located, identifying the jurors, taking photos, yelling questions. These are all things that can be seen as tampering and at least one of these was the likely motivation.

The courts and authorities will decide if jury tampering occurs after an investigation in the incident. If a pamphlet can convict a person of jury tampering (recently overturned on a technicality), being caught unlawfully chasing down a sealed jury bus of a highly controversial case is enough as well.

Burden of proof is much lesser on such a charge.

I think your strange jury tampering tangent falls apart when someone tries to say how this freelance journalist was trying to influence jurors. By driving behind their bus, he was sending out a signal to convict? Was the signal to acquit? What direction was the driving meant to influence, that will be difficult for any prosecutor to prove.