Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I don’t think anyone would hold it against Johnny if he left. But we would hold it against Brad

I think we would only hold it against brad if he lets Gaudreau walk in free agency. If Brad can't get him signed to a fair contract then I don't know if you can fault him that much as he can't force Gaudreau to stay. Brad does have to deal with this by the deadline one way or another or the pitchforks will surely come out.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think we would only hold it against brad if he lets Gaudreau walk in free agency. If Brad can't get him signed to a fair contract then I don't know if you can fault him that much as he can't force Gaudreau to stay. Brad does have to deal with this by the deadline one way or another or the pitchforks will surely come out.

And that's the problem. If he's not signed by the deadline, I doubt Calgary trades him while they are contending. And who even knows if Johnny's list of 5 teams has any teams that would realistically trade for a rental? I think that assuming Calgary is decent this year the ship on trading Johnny has sailed.

Calgary gains cap space if he leases as a UFA. It happens. It's not the end of the world. Some teams are even better for it.

[FlamesAddiction]

Considering age and performance, Gaudreau is the premiere player available in 2022 free agency, and it is a pretty big drop off as you go down the list.

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/the-t...agents-of-2022

From a business perspective, he would be smart to go to free agency and take advantage of this once in a career opportunity.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by browntrout

I think fans need to come to terms with the fact he is not signing here, he does not want to even negotiate, I would think the flames have offered him lots of money and probably on a 7-8 year term. Don't blame him, he wants to go home!

Eric Francis ? Is this you ??

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Considering age and performance, Gaudreau is the premiere player available in 2022 free agency, and it is a pretty big drop off as you go down the list.

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/the-t...agents-of-2022

From a business perspective, he would be smart to go to free agency and take advantage of this once in a career opportunity.

If Johnny got the same deal as Panarin, and he well might, 7x $11.6M = 81.2M

8x10.75 = $86M.

Go to $11M for an even $88M.

They won’t get to keep him at a discount. They’ll have to pay him.

Personally, I would.

EDIT: Hell, I’d keep Gaudreau at 8x $11.6M ($92.8M) It’s not like he doesn’t deserve it, he’s the entire offense.

Lindholm was a 45 point 2nd line C/W without him.

Monahan.

Tkachuk would lose a foot race to Monahan.

The whole thing needs to be blown up if 13 leaves.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

If Johnny got the same deal as Panarin, and he well might, 7x $11.6M = 81.2M

8x10.75 = $86M.

Go to $11M for an even $88M.

They won’t get to keep him at a discount. They’ll have to pay him.

Personally, I would.

So would I. He is the heartbeat of the offense.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary gains cap space if he leases as a UFA. It happens. It's not the end of the world. Some teams are even better for it.

That's what we thought when Gio's contract went off the books but that money went into a bunch of depth players that aren't difference makers. The Flames without Gaudreau is probably not going to be pretty.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's what we thought when Gio's contract went off the books but that money went into a bunch of depth players.

Same think happened to NYI when Tavares fled.

Of course, NYI have played better since he left, and the Flames look better too.

Not saying there is a direct correlation, but it hasn't been a tragedy.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Same think happened to NYI when Tavares fled.

Of course, NYI have played better since he left, and the Flames look better too.

Not saying there is a direct correlation, but it hasn't been a tragedy.

The Islanders had Barzal.

Who do we have?

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Islanders had Barzal.

Who do we have?

Lindholm. The last 4 years their numbers aren't that different. In fact, Lindholm scores more goals.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Lindholm. The last 4 years their numbers aren't that different. In fact, Lindholm scores more goals.

Because he plays with Gaudreau.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Lindholm. The last 4 years their numbers aren't that different. In fact, Lindholm scores more goals.

Lindholm is to Matthew Barzal what Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is to Johnny Gaudreau.

[chaimer]

If Johnny doesn't sign I say go after Forsberg.. Mine as well get all the swedes in calgary

[BlindMilwaukee]

^ I say we go after Forsberg regardless. If we can nab Forsberg, extend Johnny and move Chucky I believe we'll make the cap work.

[Knut]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1461095337821569026

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Knut

https://twitter.com/user/status/1461095337821569026

Please Treliving get these two contracts figured out and pronto!

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Teams with little cap space come up with the required cap space all the time to sign UFA's or whatever. Few teams sit around with millions left over that they plan to spend. Maybe they let Giroux walk as a start, replacing him with a younger and better alternative. Maybe they buy out JVR? I really have no idea, but I would never exclude a team simply because of a perceived lack of cap space.

True, but would the Flyers be ok committing nearly 75% of their cap dollars towards just forwards? I don't know what their GMs plans are, but I feel more optimistic today than I did in the past about Johnny staying put and not racing off to Philly as soon as his contract was over.

Johnny said in the summer that he never said he wanted to leave; that was a complete fabrication by a hack of a writer and even Gaudreau's agent said much the same.

[Coach]

JG has always brought his best to both Philly and Boston. Nothing to read into but playing well in front of friends/family.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Is that so crazy different from the Flames? Looks like we have about $52 million tied up for next year. Re-sign Mangiapane and Tkachuk and you are at 66+ at that point with 8 forwards and 4 D signed.

No it really isn't. That's why I felt a big move needed to be made in the summer. I was trying to trade Hanifin and Monahan any chance I had. $11M in cap space could've done wonders for this team.

This is on Treliving to fix now though. As good as he is using leverage to get deals done at really excellent cap hits, his toughest summer will be this up coming one when he has 4 of the team's top producers all needing new, expensive deals. Good luck to him.

In hindsight, he probably should've signed Mangipane to a longer term deal which is what I personally hoped he had done back in 2020 because this kid was as sure of a thing as it gets.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

True, but would the Flyers be ok committing nearly 75% of their cap dollars towards just forwards? I don't know what their GMs plans are, but I feel more optimistic today than I did in the past about Johnny staying put and not racing off to Philly as soon as his contract was over.

Johnny said in the summer that he never said he wanted to leave; that was a complete fabrication by a hack of a writer and even Gaudreau's agent said much the same.

They can move some of those forwards if need be.

I have little doubt Johnny would sign a contract with with the Flames, as long as the price is right. And that’s the rub.


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