Let's talk about: Oliver Kylington

[CroFlames]

Andersson and Hanifin are great all around defensemen.

But Kylington has an offensive knack and should be placed on one of the powerplay units. At the very least, he should get alternating opportunities with one of Andersson or Hanifin.

Also, just to pour cold water on the Norris discussion, he isn't winning that. Even if he wins the d-man scoring race. It's a reputation award mostly, so he'll need a few good seasons and nominations before he wins it. Which is fine by me; it keeps the salary down.

[FlamesAddiction]

Agreed that Kylington should start seeing more PP time soon. He is fast enough to jump into the offense and still get back in time to hold the zone. But I also get the logic of wanting to manage his deployment so that he is fresh when the play goes back to 5-on-5. I am sure there is a method to the madness.

I was afraid that Seattle was going to pick him over Gio and am actually still a little surprised that they didn't. I suppose it all depends on whether they flip Gio at the trade deadline and what the return is, but I have a feeling they are going to regret not taking him when they had the chance.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Andersson and Hanifin are great all around defensemen.

But Kylington has an offensive knack and should be placed on one of the powerplay units. At the very least, he should get alternating opportunities with one of Andersson or Hanifin.

Also, just to pour cold water on the Norris discussion, he isn't winning that. Even if he wins the d-man scoring race. It's a reputation award mostly, so he'll need a few good seasons and nominations before he wins it. Which is fine by me; it keeps the salary down.

Adam Fox says yer wrong about who wins the Norris.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Even if he wins the d-man scoring race. It's a reputation award mostly, so he'll need a few good seasons and nominations before he wins it. Which is fine by me; it keeps the salary down.

Dunno about that.

Adam Fox won it last year as a second year pro after have zero Norris votes as a rookie (he did have a handful of Calder votes, but was still only 4th in voting)

Erik Karlsson won it as a 3rd year pro having never recieved a Norris vote prior.

If the points are there, it's usually enough. When Gio won it, he was second in D scoring but also first in the league plus/minus which for some reason beyond my comprehension is still a thing.

Overall, without PP time OK58 can't possibly come close to being among D scoring leaders like Fox. But it isn't the reputation award it's touted as. Otherwise Shea Weber would have more of those than his old partner Roman Josi.

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Agreed that Kylington should start seeing more PP time soon. He is fast enough to jump into the offense and still get back in time to hold the zone. But I also get the logic of wanting to manage his deployment so that he is fresh when the play goes back to 5-on-5. I am sure there is a method to the madness.

I was afraid that Seattle was going to pick him over Gio and am actually still a little surprised that they didn't. I suppose it all depends on whether they flip Gio at the trade deadline and what the return is, but I have a feeling they are going to regret not taking him when they had the chance.

Seattle has been the anti Vegas.

Where the Knights went for hidden-gem types like Shea Theodore and William Karlsson, the Kraken just took the biggest names they could find on a roster... Wennberg... Eberle... Giordano.

[Beatle17]

I would love to see Kylington play with Monahan and Johnny in overtime. His speed would be a great asset in the wide open play.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I would love to see Kylington play with Monahan and Johnny in overtime. His speed would be a great asset in the wide open play.

If Kylinton is out there you need at least one defensive minded forward. Either Coleman or Lindholm.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Seattle has been the anti Vegas.

Where the Knights went for hidden-gem types like Shea Theodore and William Karlsson, the Kraken just took the biggest names they could find on a roster... Wennberg... Eberle... Giordano.

If that were true they would be a way better team. Francis effed up 2/3 of his picks.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

If that were true they would be a way better team. Francis effed up 2/3 of his picks.

Might not be too bad for them. They can probably get some assets back for an expiring Gio at the deadline (though considering the Flames were willing to add to Kylington to keep Gio... still a dumb move) and if they win the lottery in one of the next two years, they'll hand a foundational centre(Wright/Bedard), which is what Vegas found it had to trade for (Eichel) in the end.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Might not be too bad for them. They can probably get some assets back for an expiring Gio at the deadline (though considering the Flames were willing to add to Kylington to keep Gio... still a dumb move) and if they win the lottery in one of the next two years, they'll hand a foundational centre(Wright/Bedard), which is what Vegas found it had to trade for (Eichel) in the end.

What is a washed up $6.75/mil dman worth at the deadline? a 4th rounder? That's what they got for Pitlik. lol

Imagine what our team looks like if Brodie and Gio were here instead of Tanev and Kylington......

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

"But she did not feel it, because her adrenalin was high, and she was running away. She came to the car of a friend who would smuggle them out. She saw blood on the floor and said, ‘Who is bleeding? Where is the blood coming from?’ Then she saw her arm, and she fainted," recalls Kylington (pronounced CHILL-ing-ton). "She almost died because she lost so much blood. But they got to a hospital and stopped the bleeding, and a month later she flew from Eritrea to Saudi Arabia. Then she flew from there to Italy, and then from Italy to my uncle in Sweden.

That woman was Kylington’s mother."

I hope he gets paid handsomely on a long contract and then treats his mother.

There probably isn't much hope for the arm if she hasn't been treated by now.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

What is a washed up $6.75/mil dman worth at the deadline? a 4th rounder? That's what they got for Pitlik. lol

Imagine what our team looks like if Brodie and Gio were here instead of Tanev and Kylington......

Gio is still effective. He'll get a first.

Brodie is still amazing. We downgraded in adding Tanev, as solid as he's been.

Hypothetically, if the Flames were not dedicating their cap to Hanifin-Andersson-Zadorov, they could have all four of those guys anyways.

Kylington-Tanev
Giordano-Brodie

could actually be our top four.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Gio is still effective. Brodie is still amazing.

Hypothetically, if the Flames were not dedicating their cap to Hanifin-Andersson-Zadorov, they could have all four of those guys anyways.

Kylington-Tanev
Giordano-Brodie

could actually be our top four.

Not convinced that top 4 is better. But one thing is for sure - it's a lot older.
Hanifin and Andersson are pretty good and part of the long-term future, barring changes.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Gio is still effective. He'll get a first.

Brodie is still amazing. We downgraded in adding Tanev, as solid as he's been.

Hypothetically, if the Flames were not dedicating their cap to Hanifin-Andersson-Zadorov, they could have all four of those guys anyways.

Kylington-Tanev
Giordano-Brodie

could actually be our top four.

THERE IS NO FLIPPING WAY Gio is getting a 1st at the trade deadline! Unless KLowe is back to being a GM by then.

I guess Brodie has an Uncle on this site too.... lol

There was no way the Flames were going to sign Tanev if we re-upped Brodie.

[SuperMatt18]

With age and contract status considered I'm taking Hanifin-Andersson over Gio and Brodie at this point.

Andersson this season is easily having the best year of any of those 4 d-men.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

With age and contract status considered I'm taking Hanifin-Andersson over Gio and Brodie at this point.

Kylington this season is easily having the best year of any of those 4 d-men.

fixed...

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

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Last time I check Kylington wasn't listed as one of the 4 d-men in discussion.

But yeah he's the best of the 5 for sure this season.

And Tanev had the best season of those 5 listed last season.

And even though you hate Gio he will likely get a first at the deadline - he's still a top pairing d-man even if you have some weird personal bias against him.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Gio is still effective. He'll get a first.

Brodie is still amazing. We downgraded in adding Tanev, as solid as he's been.

Hypothetically, if the Flames were not dedicating their cap to Hanifin-Andersson-Zadorov, they could have all four of those guys anyways.

Kylington-Tanev
Giordano-Brodie

could actually be our top four.

Tanev a downgrade on Brodie? Dude Tanev is a much better defenceman than Brodie.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Last time I check Kylington wasn't listed as one of the 4 d-men in discussion.

But yeah he's the best of the 5 for sure this season.

And Tanev had the best season of those 5 listed last season.

And even though you hate Gio he will likely get a first at the deadline - he's still a top pairing d-man even if you have some weird personal bias against him.

Well I guess Rasmus is the best out of that average,mediocre bunch.

Gudbranson, Tanev and Kylington have been been better than Rasmus this year.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Tanev a downgrade on Brodie? Dude Tanev is a much better defenceman than Brodie.

and it's not even effing close.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Tanev a downgrade on Brodie? Dude Tanev is a much better defenceman than Brodie.

According to their JFresh cards, Brodie’s WAR % is 87 and Tanev’s is 78%.

So. Yeah.

Brodie’s awesome.

Tanev is good too, but he’s different.