Don Cherry Fired by SN - Poll Added

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I personally do not care.

He didn't rate a mention on Remembrance Day.

Is that why this thread was bumped?

Grapes devoted time at the end of his segment to honour fallen soldiers in Afghanistan for years. I don’t know if he ever stopped doing it.

When Calgary Herald reporter Michelle Lang was killed in Afghanistan, she received a tribute.

Cherry did a Coaches Corner from Kandahar.

The guy wasn’t David Duke.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

What do you mean by “laughing off”?

It’s a fluke play, was he actually laughing at it or did he just not see a reason to reform the entire sport because of it?

Was trying to find the video and couldn’t. But I was offended enough to mention it in this thread back then
He downplayed the severity regularly
Here: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.spor...jgz9hmebj0mtnm

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I personally do not care.

He didn't rate a mention on Remembrance Day.

What are you even on about? The thread wasn't bumped until November 12th. Remembrance Day was yesterday.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Is that why this thread was bumped?

Grapes devoted time at the end of his segment to honour fallen soldiers in Afghanistan for years. I don’t know if he ever stopped doing it.

When Calgary Herald reporter Michelle Lang was killed in Afghanistan, she received a tribute.

Cherry did a Coaches Corner from Kandahar.

The guy wasn’t David Duke.

No one said that.

No wasn’t malicious, just willfully ignorant. He also perpetuated the “good old boy” hockey culture motif that painted Graham James as a bad apple & not a wider systemic problem of cronyism protection and glad handing that made ignoring abuse preferable.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Boreal

No one said that.

No wasn’t malicious, just willfully ignorant. He also perpetuated the “good old boy” hockey culture motif that painted Graham James as a bad apple & not a wider systemic problem of cronyism protection and glad handing that made ignoring abuse preferable.

That’s a stretch.

Graham James, and all these abusers, are the outliers.

The problem is craven humans who value money and winning over doing the right thing.

It’s not unique to hockey, and it’s certainly a huge problem in elite athletics.

Don was an 85 year old man when he lost his job - he overstayed his welcome. He won’t be the first, he won’t be the last.

Let’s not act like Don Cherry’s actual contributions to the world aren’t a net positive. In charitable efforts alone, I’d guess he’s done more to help people than this entire forum put together.

He was from a different time. It happens to all of us, if we’re lucky enough to live that long.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

That’s a stretch.

Graham James, and all these abusers, are the outliers.

The problem is craven humans who value money and winning over doing the right thing.

It’s not unique to hockey, and it’s certainly a huge problem in elite athletics.

Don was an 85 year old man when he lost his job - he overstayed his welcome. He won’t be the first, he won’t be the last.

Let’s not act like Don Cherry’s actual contributions to the world aren’t a net positive. In charitable efforts alone, I’d guess he’s done more to help people than this entire forum put together.

[bold]He was from a different time. It happens to all of us, if we’re lucky enough to live that long.[/bold]

I dunno. I would take exception to the bolded unless there is some evidence, besides Don Cherry’s own outbursts, to show that 85 year olds are prone to racisty rants.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I don't want to be misunderstood. I am not excusing Cherry. He needed to apologize and did not (at least to the extent required). Ok.

He is a staunch supporter of veterans and I think he has done a lot of good in that regard.

I guess my point is when you look at everything that's happened since, particularly bigots like Gruden, I wondered if Cherry was treated properly.

Some comments are fireable offenses.

I can't recall whether SN would have allowed him to continue had he apologized.

Anyway I was thinking about him when I donned my poppy the other day.

It's funny this got bumped, as me, my brother and father were also talking about Cherry yesterday, but likely from a slightly different perspective.

We were talking about my grandfather.

He passed before I was born but fought in WW2 for the Indian-British army. He was stationed in Burma vs the Japanese forces.
Though I never got to meet him, I have stories of his military service, photos, and even have his medals tattoo'd on my arm as a reminder that his sacrifice gave me the life I have today.

It's because of his service to the Indian military (under British rule), our family was offered immigration to the UK and then eventually some of my family immigrated to Canada in 1981 from there (where I was born).

If it wasn't for his service I may have been born in a small village in India, and likely be a farmer today getting beat up by authorities in the protests going in there.
It's incredible how a life can change on these decisions and sacrifices by those before us.

I love Don Cherry's support of veterans, and don't view him as a villain.
I think he generally meant well but was from a time and mindset what was misguided.

What Cherry's rant failed to understand and that people like my family are both "you people that come here" and "these guys paid the way for your life in Canada"
That's what Canada is all about.

He statement painted a narrative that immigrants are the one's ungrateful and white Canadians are the ones who sacrificed.
The reality is there are ungrateful idiots of all colours and sacrifices from all colours.
His attention to veterans and honouring them was admirable, but the lines he drew about who did and didn't was offensive, inaccurate & un Canadian.
I too wish he worded it better, but it was time for him to leave the limelight.

[curves2000]

I think what has happened with today's culture is a lack of practical and empathetic understanding of certain things. Yes what he said probably wasn't a good take, by his own admission years ago in books and movies, he always knew it would end with something like this.

A few quick notes for people who are saying he was past his prime and all that stuff. Coaches Corner was the highest rated TV program in Canada for a very very long time and could have been a top 3 in when he was fired. The ratings where sometimes usually higher than the game! People tuned into Coaches Corner to see him, not Ron.

It also happens to be that HNIC is the longest running tv program in TV history if memory serves me correct. The Don Cherry and Coaches Corner brand brought dollars and eyeballs and that mattered in business, despite what some people think.

Should he have been fired? I personally don't think so cause that is his thing, that is what makes Don Cherry, Cherry. The other people who are on TV covering HNIC and sports in general are usually quite boring, at least Cherry was entertaining. I don't think there is anything wrong with an employer firing someone and than paying out their contract which is what Rogers did. It's not like he was an employee who had a "DO NOT FIRE" sticker on his file.

In the end, I would agree he probably didn't have much time left on tv and Covid would have probably done a number on that in some ways. His podcast numbers are good though.

What I really really would have wanted though was for everybody to take a collective break, relax, chill out and think rationally and practically. Perhaps a suspension, an apology and than a goodbye piece to end a career. This notion that we have to railroad an 85 year old man into oblivion for comments is a little disheartening thing for me. Cherry has done a mountain of really really honorable things in his career and the way he treated children, young players, would love and support the women's sports, Canada and our veterans was very honorable. Our own government, no matter who your political stripe was, did a terrible thing and still to this day does with the treatment of Canadians in uniform. Is anybody calling for their heads? Process that last little bit. How many government types have done an unjust harm to the people who have sacrificed all for us, and Don Cherry was the bad guy?

I think the people who say that they have friends and family of the same age with the same views need to process something, the notion that we, the younger generation won't be in the same boat at some stage in our lives with our views? Why do we get so over confident in that regard? Are we really suppose to believe that we are the greatest generation of people because we fake outrage and get worked up on a computer and social media? Seem's strange to me.

I miss the guy but his runway was short regardless. It' just sad that is how his career ended for the viewers and for others.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

That’s a stretch.

Graham James, and all these abusers, are the outliers.

The problem is craven humans who value money and winning over doing the right thing.

It’s not unique to hockey, and it’s certainly a huge problem in elite athletics.

Don was an 85 year old man when he lost his job - he overstayed his welcome. He won’t be the first, he won’t be the last.

Let’s not act like Don Cherry’s actual contributions to the world aren’t a net positive. In charitable efforts alone, I’d guess he’s done more to help people than this entire forum put together.

He was from a different time. It happens to all of us, if we’re lucky enough to live that long.

A 1/4 century after Graham James and the Blackhawks scandal is exposed with untold victims in the meantime. It’s hockey culture that perpetuates the abuse and the notion of Cherry funding the charities he supports ignores the ones he doesn’t. But yeah, he’s a hero bigger than anyone on this forum. Right.

Not to mention Cherry was complicit in Patrick O’Sullivan’s abuse…
“His Dad was a seemed like a nice guy.”

Cherry is a 1/2 wit who’s the physical manifestation of white privilege & the survivorship bias.

Did he work hard to get what he achieved…?

Sure.

Was he astronomically fortunate (privileged) and lucky absolutely compared to someone like Ted Nolan?

1000%

He then takes his good fortune and luck to proselytize like he has some sort of lesson or wisdom to share beyond LUCK and the ignorant notion that “working hard” with overcome cronyism and implicit biases that perpetuate racism.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Boreal

A 1/4 century after Graham James and the Blackhawks scandal is exposed with untold victims in the meantime. It’s hockey culture that perpetuates the abuse and the notion of Cherry funding the charities he supports ignores the ones he doesn’t. But yeah, he’s a hero bigger than anyone on this forum. Right.

Not to mention Cherry was complicit in Patrick O’Sullivan’s abuse…
“His Dad was a seemed like a nice guy.”

Cherry is a 1/2 wit who’s the physical manifestation of white privilege & the survivorship bias.

Did he work hard to get what he achieved…?

Sure.

Was he astronomically fortunate (privileged) and lucky absolutely compared to someone like Ted Nolan?

1000%

He then takes his good fortune and luck to proselytize like he has some sort of lesson or wisdom to share beyond LUCK and the ignorant notion that “working hard” with overcome cronyism and implicit biases that perpetuate racism.

The Blackhawks scandal has absolutely nothing to do with Don Cherry.

Don Cherry espoused a “suck it up and play through everything” sort of toughness. The idea that it takes pressure to make a diamond. He’s hardly the only coach, director, maestro etc to feel that way.

You cannot find one frame of video where he condones sex abuse.

He’s about as complicit in Patrick O’Sullivan’s abuse as I am, regardless of whether or not “his dad was nice to me when I met him” was a tactful thing to say.

What, were they hanging out during the summer at Don’s lake house, or did they have a cordial interaction the one time Cherry would’ve had the occasion to meet him?

Whatever happened to Ted Nolan is also irrelevant - Cherry had been working on CBC for 11 years when Nolan was hired by the Sabres.

Your “white privilege” argument is also laughable, unless you feel like applying it to literally every coach at the minor and NHL level in hockey history.

Who was the last black head coach? Has there even been a first one?

Cherry was a Coach of the Year in the AHL and Coach of the Year in the NHL following a nearly-20 year journeyman minor league career. Like a lot of coaches, he was nothing special as a player, but if you think he didn’t know a thing or two about the way this game was at one time played, you’re flat out wrong.

Call me old fashioned, but someone who plays 20 years in the bus leagues, winning four Calder cups, might know a thing or two about perseverance.

I also didn’t say he was a hero, I said “ In charitable efforts alone, I’d guess he’s done more to help people than this entire forum put together.”

He very likely has - He’s Don Cherry. He’s been famous for 50 years, he’s probably stroked a cheque or two to worthy causes in his day.

But keep on believing he’s an avatar of all that’s wrong with the world - it’ll serve you really well when you come face to face with actual evil.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The Blackhawks scandal has absolutely nothing to do with Don Cherry.

Don Cherry espoused a “suck it up and play through everything” sort of toughness. The idea that it takes pressure to make a diamond. He’s hardly the only coach, director, maestro etc to feel that way.

You cannot find one frame of video where he condones sex abuse.

He’s about as complicit in Patrick O’Sullivan’s abuse as I am, regardless of whether or not “his dad was nice to me when I met him” was a tactful thing to say.

What, were they hanging out during the summer at Don’s lake house, or did they have a cordial interaction the one time Cherry would’ve had the occasion to meet him?

Whatever happened to Ted Nolan is also irrelevant - Cherry had been working on CBC for 11 years when Nolan was hired by the Sabres.

Your “white privilege” argument is also laughable, unless you feel like applying it to literally every coach at the minor and NHL level in hockey history.

Who was the last black head coach? Has there even been a first one?

Cherry was a Coach of the Year in the AHL and Coach of the Year in the NHL following a nearly-20 year journeyman minor league career. Like a lot of coaches, he was nothing special as a player, but if you think he didn’t know a thing or two about the way this game was at one time played, you’re flat out wrong.

Call me old fashioned, but someone who plays 20 years in the bus leagues, winning four Calder cups, might know a thing or two about perseverance.

I also didn’t say he was a hero, I said “ In charitable efforts alone, I’d guess he’s done more to help people than this entire forum put together.”

He very likely has - He’s Don Cherry. He’s been famous for 50 years, he’s probably stroked a cheque or two to worthy causes in his day.

But keep on believing he’s an avatar of all that’s wrong with the world - it’ll serve you really well when you come face to face with actual evil.

I thought white (aka over privileged) might trigger you. If it is laughable, I suppose under privileged kids must also be laughable. Hahaha funny stuff!

Because you know… Ted Nolan had the same opportunities in broadcasting as old Donny after they were both canned in the NHL. Excellent work exposing your complete ignorance on the toxic legacy effects of implicit bias.

Go compare Don’s perseverance to Ted’s and once again Don is a caricature and a complete jester.

You know… since you brought up awards… Ted won the Jack Adams and didn’t get anything close to Don’s platform, let alone a job the following season.

Don’s platform that as you put it “didn’t condone sexual abuse”… oh what a triumph in courage… he ALSO sure didn’t address the root causes of it either like cronyism, xenophobia, and misogyny.

But go on about his selective philanthropy that dwarfs anything on this forum. Please… inform me… I am all ears on how he supports refugees, whistleblowers, and sex workers.

Or… just go back to listening to Don’s podcast of archaic hockey analysis, while everyone else helps make hockey culture a positive term, and not something associated with “toughness”, sex crimes, and binge drinking calamity.

Speaking of actual evil, while you’re at it crank up Rock & Roll Part 2 and whine about how hockey cancel culture also canceled Gary Glitter when he was exposed as pedophile.

[dino7c]

bring Don back....now we get dude bros talking about how unfair the league is for not giving McDavid special treatment every intermission

at least he sticks up for the armed forces

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

bring Don back....now we get dude bros talking about how unfair the league is for not giving McDavid special treatment every intermission

at least he sticks up for the armed forces

Sticks up for the armed forces from who? And how?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Boreal

I thought white (aka over privileged) might trigger you. If it is laughable, I suppose under privileged kids must also be laughable. Hahaha funny stuff!

Because you know… Ted Nolan had the same opportunities in broadcasting as old Donny after they were both canned in the NHL. Excellent work exposing your complete ignorance on the toxic legacy effects of implicit bias.

Go compare Don’s perseverance to Ted’s and once again Don is a caricature and a complete jester.

You know… since you brought up awards… Ted won the Jack Adams and didn’t get anything close to Don’s platform, let alone a job the following season.

Don’s platform that as you put it “didn’t condone sexual abuse”… oh what a triumph in courage… he ALSO sure didn’t address the root causes of it either like cronyism, xenophobia, and misogyny.

But go on about his selective philanthropy that dwarfs anything on this forum. Please… inform me… I am all ears on how he supports refugees, whistleblowers, and sex workers.

Or… just go back to listening to Don’s podcast of archaic hockey analysis, while everyone else helps make hockey culture a positive term, and not something associated with “toughness”, sex crimes, and binge drinking calamity.

Speaking of actual evil, while you’re at it crank up Rock & Roll Part 2 and whine about how hockey cancel culture also canceled Gary Glitter when he was exposed as pedophile.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Sticks up for the armed forces from who? And how?

From people who don't recognize we owe every day to them...how? did you ever watch? He told stories, showed pictures ect.

wear a ####ing poppy, I saw maybe 10% of people wearing one this year and its pathetic.


Beats hearing about how the big bad league is out to get McDavid every intermission

[Wormius]

Well crap. If it weren’t for Don Cherry, I guess we’d have all forgot.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Well crap. If it weren’t for Don Cherry, I guess we’d have all forgot.

Not for nothing, but I can't help but notice nobody else on HNIC regularly takes time out of their segments to pay tribute to fallen soldiers, if they do at all.

But that's really neither here nor there.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

From people who don't recognize we owe every day to them...how? did you ever watch? He told stories, showed pictures ect.

wear a ####ing poppy, I saw maybe 10% of people wearing one this year and its pathetic.


Beats hearing about how the big bad league is out to get McDavid every intermission

I don't know usually when someone says sticks up for someone or a party it usually means they're under attack.

I personally don't care for Don Cherry and him playing the same video every year of him visiting the graves of dead soldiers really didn't mean anything to me especially since he turned out to be an old racist and that isn't what I stand for as a Canadian.

He can do whatever he wants to support soldiers but soldiers didn't die for his beliefs. They'd probably be rolling in their graves listening to him speak.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by dino7c

From people who don't recognize we owe every day to them...how? did you ever watch? He told stories, showed pictures ect.

wear a ####ing poppy, I saw maybe 10% of people wearing one this year and its pathetic.


Beats hearing about how the big bad league is out to get McDavid every intermission

Don was a self serving dinosaur

IMO

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

I don't know usually when someone says sticks up for someone or a party it usually means they're under attack.

I personally don't care for Don Cherry and him playing the same video every year of him visiting the graves of dead soldiers really didn't mean anything to me especially since he turned out to be an old racist and that isn't what I stand for as a Canadian.

He can do whatever he wants to support soldiers but soldiers didn't die for his beliefs. They'd probably be rolling in their graves listening to him speak.

Men who died fighting the Kaiser or the Fuhrer, or hunting Bin Laden?

Probably not.

They were made of sterner stuff than your average U of C undergrad.