[GT] Flames v. Habs: C’est Bon!!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Flames should easily be winning the Habs are a horrible team. Especially with the with the loss last game. Guess my expectations are a little high.

lol since when...you spent the entire summer saying the Flames were bottom feeders

now a 2-2 tie on the road is an embarrassment

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

The Flames need to pretend every team they are playing is the Rangers!!

Interesting new strategy. Always refer to the opposition as the Rangers. In interviews, in articles, on the ice.

It will get weird, but it might.. just.. work.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I never knew that GAR is the go to stat for everything hockey. I'm not saying that Zadorov has been good, but GAR just like most stats is a subjective look at what makes a player better than a replacement player.

Wait what's subjective about it? It's just numbers. If anything, the eye test is far more subjective.

Zadorov has a +0.8 even strength defensive GAR, which is decent — the 118th-best in the league.

Unfortunately, his -1.4 even strength offensive GAR is the 27th-worst in the league and almost singlehandedly tanks his value. This has been the story with Zadorov for years. He is completely unable to push play, especially when he has the puck.

It doesn't matter if a player is decent defensively if he's a black hole offensively.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Iginla

I disagree

I disagree with your disagreement.

[dino7c]

Rasmus and Coleman got two minutes for looking so good

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol since when...you spent the entire summer saying the Flames were bottom feeders

now a 2-2 tie on the road is an embarrassment

I’m talking about this game dude. The game on tonight! Now tomorrow against the Leafs I don’t have high expectations. Check your ego at the door

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I never knew that GAR is the go to stat for everything hockey. I'm not saying that Zadorov has been good, but GAR just like most stats is a subjective look at what makes a player better than a replacement player.

And it doesn’t work as well for defencemen. Expected GAR works better. And GAR is cumulative so players with fewer games are penalized a bit.

[Knightslayer]

The eye test works the best. Zadorov looks bad. Therfore he must be bad.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I’m talking about this game dude. The game on tonight! Now tomorrow against the Leafs I don’t have high expectations. Check your ego at the door

What does it have to do with egos...2-2 on the road isn't an embarrassment
this is the NHL

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Wait what's subjective about it? It's just numbers. If anything, the eye test is far more subjective.

Zadorov has a +0.8 even strength defensive GAR, which is decent — the 118th-best in the league.

Unfortunately, his -1.4 even strength offensive GAR is the 27th-worst in the league and almost singlehandedly tanks his value. This has been the story with Zadorov for years. He is completely unable to push play, especially when he has the puck.

It doesn't matter if a player is decent defensively if he's a black hole offensively.

Of course it matters, if that’s his job. I don’t think Sutter expects any offence at all from him.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Of course it matters, if that’s his job. I don’t think Sutter expects any offence at all from him.

If a player is worse offensively than he is good defensively, he's a liability.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What does it have to do with egos...2-2 on the road isn't an embarrassment
this is the NHL

Dude you get riled up every time or think you got an answer for everything. Just relax it’s hockey I don’t really care but this is my opinion on the game because the Flames are way better than the Habs so far this season.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Wait what's subjective about it? It's just numbers. If anything, the eye test is far more subjective.

Zadorov has a +0.8 even strength defensive GAR, which is decent — the 118th-best in the league.

Unfortunately, his -1.4 even strength offensive GAR is the 27th-worst in the league and almost singlehandedly tanks his value. This has been the story with Zadorov for years. He is completely unable to push play, especially when he has the puck.

It doesn't matter if a player is decent defensively if he's a black hole offensively.

The weights they give different stats are subjective that's why you have so many models that are trying to combine all aspects of the game into one stat.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If a player is worse offensively than he is good defensively, he's a liability.

Yet, the two time Stanley Cup winning coach chooses to play Zadorov.

Why is that?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If a player is worse offensively than he is good defensively, he's a liability.

No, that’s too shallow of an analysis and assumes the offensive and defensive minutes and contribution are equal. If a player has a hypothetically completely defensive role, his offensive contribution is meaningless to his value.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Of course it matters, if that’s his job. I don’t think Sutter expects any offence at all from him.

I think a massive part of defense is being able to make a clean outlet pass with the puck on your stick.

If you can't do that, then it doesn't matter how good you are without the puck. More scoring chances are scored off turnovers than not.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by timbit

Yet, two time the Stanley Cup winning coach chooses to play Zadorov.

Why is that?

Maybe the same reason he didn't play Kylington first 2 games. He isn't god and he isn't perfect.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Dude you get riled up every time or think you got an answer for everything. Just relax it’s hockey I don’t really care but this is my opinion on the game because the Flames are way better than the Habs so far this season.

sounds like you are the one riled up

it was a poor post...I don't think you will find many people that agree that being tied 2-2 or the road after two is an "embarrassment"

[Coach]

As long as Zadorov is mean and keeps the brain farts relatively low, he's fine. Both he and Gudbranson are here to A) be a strong pair against big/pushover opponents and B) show Valimaki and Mackey what they have to be better than to stick in the league. Not as good as. Better. Valimaki hasn't been better than either of them, and he should be. Until he forces his way in Kylington style, there will be a rotation as has been.

[1_Flames_Fan]

I have to admit the Montreal pbp team is pretty solid.