11-11-2021, 06:16 AM
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#141
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Cobra
You did not respond to the top part of the post?
With Brodie he should have dealt with his contract situation in the summer. If he is not in your plans then move on and get some assets. A talented player like Brodie should have gotten you something good.
Waited too long and then the Flames were chasing a playoff spot so no trade.
Same thing with Johnny.
Should have dealt with him this summer.
If you are in the hunt for the playoffs this year at the trade deadline then according to you cannot trade him.
Tre gets second place in most trades.
Hate for him to lose Johhny in Free Agency as our offer will just miss out.
Do you want to potentially lose Johnny in Free Agency?
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They did try to trade Brodie for Kadri.
Then being included in the trade made Brodie more inclined to go to UFA.
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11-11-2021, 06:37 AM
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#142
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jul 2019
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Originally Posted by Coach
They did try to trade Brodie for Kadri.
Then being included in the trade made Brodie more inclined to go to UFA.
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So once again Tre tried but failed to make a trade.
Alienated the player who then went to Free Agency and left.
This is doing a good job as GM?
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11-11-2021, 06:44 AM
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#143
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobra
You did not respond to the top part of the post?
With Brodie he should have dealt with his contract situation in the summer. If he is not in your plans then move on and get some assets. A talented player like Brodie should have gotten you something good.
Waited too long and then the Flames were chasing a playoff spot so no trade.
Same thing with Johnny.
Should have dealt with him this summer.
If you are in the hunt for the playoffs this year at the trade deadline then according to you cannot trade him.
Tre gets second place in most trades.
Hate for him to lose Johhny in Free Agency as our offer will just miss out.
Do you want to potentially lose Johnny in Free Agency?
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Do any teams operate this way? Trading away every upcoming UFA even when they have a full season on their deal? You have to try and win some games at some point. There’s more to being a successful franchise than asset management
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11-11-2021, 07:38 AM
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#144
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Cobra
So once again Tre tried but failed to make a trade.
Alienated the player who then went to Free Agency and left.
This is doing a good job as GM?
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Kadri turned down the trade because Calgary was on his no-trade list.
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11-11-2021, 08:11 AM
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#145
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by bax
Do any teams operate this way? Trading away every upcoming UFA even when they have a full season on their deal? You have to try and win some games at some point. There’s more to being a successful franchise than asset management
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I doubt there is any team that trades away every UFA to be, especially those in contention.
Especially since in a cap world, even when one of your players leaves as a UFA, you clear that cap space, which may be just as valuable, especially if you are a sought after destination.
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11-11-2021, 08:38 AM
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#146
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Kadri turned down the trade because Calgary was on his no-trade list.
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No. He turned down the deal because he didn’t want to leave Toronto, and he could potentially avoid being traded.
The Flames still got Tanev with the cap space so what’s the big deal? If we were sitting with Brodie’s money in empty cap space then yeah Treliving isn’t doing his job, but that isn’t what is happening.
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11-11-2021, 08:40 AM
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#147
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Kadri turned down the trade because Calgary was on his no-trade list.
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Strategic play to stay in his hometown. Calgary was the most well known “need a centre” destinations in the league.
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11-11-2021, 09:35 AM
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#148
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jul 2019
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Originally Posted by bax
Do any teams operate this way? Trading away every upcoming UFA even when they have a full season on their deal? You have to try and win some games at some point. There’s more to being a successful franchise than asset management
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But we are not a successful franchise under Tre.
Yes you let some UFA walk....I agree with you.
But when you have a top 4 Defenceman and no realistic chance at playoff success or wanting to re-sign him then get a package to help in the future.
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11-11-2021, 11:48 AM
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#149
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Cobra
But we are not a successful franchise under Tre.
Yes you let some UFA walk....I agree with you.
But when you have a top 4 Defenceman and no realistic chance at playoff success or wanting to re-sign him then get a package to help in the future.
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Teams generally never admit they have no realistic chance in the playoffs. Exhibit A is last years Montreal Canadians.
And Calgary had a desire to re-sign Brodie.
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11-11-2021, 12:31 PM
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#150
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobra
But we are not a successful franchise under Tre.
Yes you let some UFA walk....I agree with you.
But when you have a top 4 Defenceman and no realistic chance at playoff success or wanting to re-sign him then get a package to help in the future.
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They let Brodie walk because of his poor playoff performance.
He wasn't trusted late in games and we gave up a bunch of leads in the playoffs.
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11-11-2021, 12:39 PM
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#151
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Franchise Player
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Now Brodie is overpaid and we have Tanev...seems like a win
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11-11-2021, 12:41 PM
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#152
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DJones
They let Brodie walk because of his poor playoff performance.
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They did not LET Brodie walk. He was a free agent and chose where he wanted to sign. That is what ‘free agent’ means. It seems to be a hard term for some hockey fans to grasp.
Unless, of course, you're one of those people who think the GM of the Calgary Flames has a mind-control ray that he can use to make players do his bidding. In that case, yes, Treliving was a complete idiot for not using it on Brodie.
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11-11-2021, 12:56 PM
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#153
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
They did not LET Brodie walk. He was a free agent and chose where he wanted to sign. That is what ‘free agent’ means. It seems to be a hard term for some hockey fans to grasp.
Unless, of course, you're one of those people who think the GM of the Calgary Flames has a mind-control ray that he can use to make players do his bidding. In that case, yes, Treliving was a complete idiot for not using it on Brodie.
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yes I think if Treliving would have offered Brodie that contract he would have signed.
They didn't want both of them
And on the flip side, Vancouver let Tanev walk and they are morons for it.
Last edited by DJones; 11-11-2021 at 12:59 PM.
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11-11-2021, 12:59 PM
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#154
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by bax
Do any teams operate this way? Trading away every upcoming UFA even when they have a full season on their deal? You have to try and win some games at some point. There’s more to being a successful franchise than asset management
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Copied from another post of mine, in another thread:
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The obsession with "getting a return" for players is asinine and hilarious to me. Every player becomes a hot potato that you don't want to end up with, but somehow you have to bring yourself to ice a roster. I suppose it is inherently true that it is better to "sell high", but if you look at it from a reductionist point of view it becomes absurd.
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11-11-2021, 01:03 PM
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#155
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by DJones
yes I think if Treliving would have offered Brodie that contract he would have signed.
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If you overpay a player enough, he will nearly always sign. So what? Treliving replaced Brodie with a player who was better and cheaper, and the Leafs bought themselves another cap problem. How the hell is this a failure on Treliving's part?
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11-11-2021, 01:05 PM
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#156
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Lifetime Suspension
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Brodie has played well in Toronto. Why are people calling him a "problem " he was +23 in 56 games last year and is providing solid D. Both Flames and Leafs happy. Doesn't have to be one or the other.
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11-11-2021, 02:25 PM
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#157
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
If you overpay a player enough, he will nearly always sign. So what? Treliving replaced Brodie with a player who was better and cheaper, and the Leafs bought themselves another cap problem. How the hell is this a failure on Treliving's part?
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How did I say anything bad about Treliving? I said they could have signed Brodie and chose not too.
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11-11-2021, 02:29 PM
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#158
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by DJones
How did I say anything bad about Treliving? I said they could have signed Brodie and chose not too.
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I could be remembering this wrong, but I thought it was revealed that Treliving did offer Brodie an extension and he turned it down opting to become a free agent. Brodie knew that Toronto was interested in him after the failed Kadri was leaked.
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11-11-2021, 02:35 PM
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#159
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Now Brodie is overpaid and we have Tanev...seems like a win
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Brodie isn’t overpaid in Toronto, they’re paying him all of $400k more than we paid him. And he was never overpaid here.
Tanev + Kylington combine to bring what Brodie brought, and they can be in two places at once.
Everybody wins.
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11-11-2021, 02:36 PM
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#160
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I could be remembering this wrong, but I thought it was revealed that Treliving did offer Brodie an extension and he turned it down opting to become a free agent. Brodie knew that Toronto was interested in him after the failed Kadri was leaked.
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An extension before UFA day? Nope. He said he hoped to re-sign him but he prioritized Markstrom.
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