2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

Is the appetite still there for Laine?

It always was. Laine is off to a good start and seems to be fitting in though, not sure Jarmo would be interested in this.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

TBF I am talking like Filip Forsberg, though I do think it is reasonable to assume Monahan's trade value has slipped over the last two seasons.

So a rental now? I sure hope the Flames avoid sending a 1st+Valimaki for a pending UFA.

They would then have Gaudreau and Forsberg who would be 29-28 cashing in on long term deals and then have to fit Mangiapane and Tkachuk in.

[BlindMilwaukee]

Who do we think is more likely to be moved between Laine and Forsberg? Cost would also be a factor. Depending on cost I'd certainly be interested in exploring it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

Who do we think is more likely to be moved between Laine and Forsberg? Cost would also be a factor. Depending on cost I'd certainly be interested in exploring it.

The cost would be high, and it would likely be a rental. Each would start at a first plus.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

So a rental now? I sure hope the Flames avoid sending a 1st+Valimaki for a pending UFA.

They would then have Gaudreau and Forsberg who would be 29-28 cashing in on long term deals and then have to fit Mangiapane and Tkachuk in.

Why are we thinking so one dimensionally all of a sudden. If we can maneuver to fit in Eichel's salary longterm we can try to do it for other adds too.

You could negotiate a trade based on resign, a la Mark Stone.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

T.......though I do think it is reasonable to assume Monahan's trade value has slipped over the last two seasons.

Just a bit.....LOL.

Today he likely would pass through waivers, due to cap being so valuable.

I do think he's been looking a bit better these days, and that his first 5v5 point will come soon enough. It's been 18 games since he had a 5v5 point, and he's had 4 in his last 40 games.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

. With Lucic producing at an excellent rate this season, and having had playoff success, I would choose him over Toews.

I wouldn't call Lucic an offensive dynamo based on such a small sample size. Toews also has 2 more points than Lucic FWIW.

Toews has had a bit if playoff success himself though.

If a team wanted to win the Cup, do you really think Lucic would push them to do that over Toews?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why are we thinking so one dimensionally all of a sudden. If we can maneuver to fit in Eichel's salary longterm we can try to do it for other adds too.

You could negotiate a trade based on resign, a la Mark Stone.

I think the key difference is Eichel came with cost certainty and was easier to fit in. The way this team is built and the contracts coming up I can’t see a fit for a high priced rental who the team wants to keep long term. I was all in on Eichel because he is 25 with 5 years of team control where Fosberg is 27 going on 28 when he gets a new deal and will likely look for $7M long term.

I am against the player you are trying to acquire because I don’t think this team should be adding close to 30 year olds for long term. We will turn this team into the LA Kings without the success.

Maybe I am still bitter about losing out to Eichel but a nice 11 game start hasn’t convinced me this team is legit. With their contract situation they are basically in the same spot as the 2019 team where they can’t pay the price for a high end rental because they can’t keep their own team together this summer as is without a lot of cap moves.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I wouldn't call Lucic an offensive dynamo based on such a small sample size. Toews also has 2 more points than Lucic FWIW.

Toews has had a bit if playoff success himself though.

If a team wanted to win the Cup, do you really think Lucic would push them to do that over Toews?

I’m betting with salary retention you’d find a lot of teams wanting a guy like Lucic as depth/insurance. They might be full up on guys like Toews, especially at, say, $5M.

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

Is the appetite still there for Laine?

Our pp would be as good as Edmonton's with Laine people knock him but has one of the best shots in the game,good size a bit lazy but one hell of a sniper.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It's interesting how much better Kane has aged than Toews.
It shouldn't be surprising that Gaudreau is aging a lot better than Monahan.

If you have not noticed, Johnny Is still on top form and Monahan has already aged.

Also in no universe, Lucic is a better player than Toews. Better contract , not better player.

[BlindMilwaukee]

Originally Posted by Southside403

Our pp would be as good as Edmonton's with Laine people knock him but has one of the best shots in the game,good size a bit lazy but one hell of a sniper.

That's exactly why I mentioned Laine, I was picturing him every time Dube had a one timer chance on the PP. Granted they shoot opposite.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m betting with salary retention you’d find a lot of teams wanting a guy like Lucic as depth/insurance. They might be full up on guys like Toews, especially at, say, $5M.

No team is full up with guys like Toews.

Now I get that Cap is a huge issue.

Guys like Toews can put you over the top in the playoffs. Lucic is, as you describe, depth/insurance.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No team is full up with guys like Toews.

Now I get that Cap is a huge issue.

Guys like Toews can put you over the top in the playoffs. Lucic is, as you describe, depth/insurance.


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Toews can fill a 3C centre on pretty much any team, true. But you’d pay $5M for the pleasure.

This is my issue when people automatically assume any player can easily be traded for picks at the TDL. It just ain’t that easy.

[Gizmo]

Originally Posted by Southside403

Our pp would be as good as Edmonton's with Laine people knock him but has one of the best shots in the game,good size a bit lazy but one hell of a sniper.

I'm all for bashing Edmonton, but we're a McDavid and a Draisaitl away from having a PP as talented as theirs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Gizmo

I'm all for bashing Edmonton, but we're a McDavid and a Draisaitl away from having a PP as talented as theirs.

That's pretty misleading - other players can do the hockey as well.

Having Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk and Laine as your 4 forwards would be pretty terrifying.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's pretty misleading - other players can do the hockey as well.

Having Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk and Laine as your 4 forwards would be pretty terrifying.

There is currently a bigger gap between the best powerplay and the second best powerplay in the league that there is between the 2nd best powerplay and the 17th best powerplay. Of course other players can do hockey as well, but on the PP there is only one team that can really do it these days.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Toews can fill a 3C centre on pretty much any team, true. But you’d pay $5M for the pleasure.

This is my issue when people automatically assume any player can easily be traded for picks at the TDL. It just ain’t that easy.

Toews could be an excellent 2nd line centre on a playoff team.


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[Niemo]

Why Toews and not Kane? Give me Kane instead!

[djsFlames]

Need to add a finisher to really have a shot at making noise under Darryl this year.

Really, all that's missing outside of a bit more consistency is the ability to pot that one more goal when needed.

Since we won't have Eichel to entice Johnny and Matthew long term, we'll need some playoff success.

I would be for trading some decent chips for Laine if he can be attained. But there are plenty of options out there.