I've listened to dozens upon dozens of former players talk about Sutter. They mostly all say he was tough but they loved him and he was one of their favorite coaches.
Carcillo is a clown and nobody respects him.
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Sheldon Kennedy was on the Cam & Strick Podcast and he touched on topics like this is coaching, specifically around emotional maltreatment. The interview starts at about the 1:06:00 mark.
At the end of the day sports is just another part of the entertainment industry. It is inherently intertwined with the public. The public will choose where/how/when to spend money on what it likes and doesn’t like. People need to be accountable for their actions, own their mistakes, and like all of us, learn how to be better human beings. It doesn’t mean cancel culture or any other overblown statement about accountability. You can not fix a problem people won’t acknowledge. If a person is an A-hole, understand why, and then learn how not to be an A-hole.
Based on the Blackhawks situation the end doesn’t justify the means either.
Every large organization and all major sports teams have some skeletons in their closet.
Jerks ran large corporations. I've been involved in large businesses for about 40 years, and especially long ago many things happened which would get you fired today. That's simply what it was like back then. It's slowly evolved, and has evolved very quickly now, aa people are no longer afraid to speak out. There were jerks in senior positions in Calgary who needed to be weeded out during the years. The difference was that they didn't need Bettman to force them to do it.
Murray was likely a huge jerk who was very good at his job. People used to put up with that type of behaviour, but no more. It's no difference in office settings today. People are now held accountable for their day to day behaviour.
Jerks run small organizations, too. Bad leadership can be found anywhere.
I think one of the primary issues is that Hockey is very incestuous.
Players become coaches, who then become managers, who then become GMs who then bounce around from team to team in various positions.
One if the reasons why is a lot of players don’t respect a coach unless he played - and won - in the NHL. And from accounts I’ve read, this is only getting worse. Elite pro athletes live in such narrow channels that people from outside that small world don’t have credibility in their eyes.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
One if the reasons why is a lot of players don’t respect a coach unless he played - and won - in the NHL. And from accounts I’ve read, this is only getting worse. Elite pro athletes live in such narrow channels that people from outside that small world don’t have credibility in their eyes.
Yet guys like Cooper, Badger Bob, Torts, Trotz, Laviolette, etc had no NHL career.
The Anaheim Ducks announced today that Executive Vice President and General Manager Bob Murray has resigned from his position, effective immediately. Murray will enroll in an alcohol abuse program. As announced yesterday, Jeff Solomon will be the club's Interim General Manager.
Following is a statement from Ducks Owners Henry and Susan Samueli:
"First and foremost, we apologize on behalf of the organization to anyone affected by misconduct from Bob. We expect every member of our organization to be treated with respect and will not stand for abuse of any kind.
Bob tendered his resignation this morning, while also informing us of his decision to enter an alcohol abuse program. While we do not condone his conduct, we fully support his efforts to improve his physical and mental health by asking for help.
We will now begin a methodical, extensive search for a permanent General Manager to lead us forward. We expect to complete this process no later than next summer."
Following is a statement from Bob Murray:
"I want to apologize to anyone adversely affected by my behavior. I vow to make changes to my life, starting with enrolling in a treatment program. I want to thank Henry and Susan Samueli, and Michael Schulman, as working for them has been one of the highlights of my career. As I step away from the Ducks, I will focus my attention on where it should be: improving my life for the betterment of my family and friends."
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The Ducks owners sound pretty disingenuous saying "we expect every member of our organization to be treated with respect and will not stand for abuse of any kind" even though this abuse was reportedly happening for years to many people.
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The fact he’s entering a program makes me wonder if there was a new specific incident that’s led to the investigation. Otherwise the team reaction, over a decade into his role, makes no sense.
Edit - I guess it helps if I read. The NHL statement refers to recent hotline tips.
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Is it possible that the alcohol related problem is being used as a way out of a bigger problem to save face? Call me skeptical i guess. Either way, the game is better off today without the bad culture being perpetuated
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I will say this again, everybody knows about this stuff happening everywhere in a whole host of workplaces. This isn't some surprise, this isn't some breaking news and allegations that have come to light.
In the end, the only thing that happens is that people get caught, they get fired, people pretend they have no clue and everybody moves on.
It doesn't matter if this is sports, entertainment, corporate office environment or working in the field. Everybody ends up knowing what has happened and than the classic fake apology, denials and general pacifying that happens afterwards. It's almost a playbook.
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Is it possible that the alcohol related problem is being used as a way out of a bigger problem to save face? Call me skeptical i guess. Either way, the game is better off today without the bad culture being perpetuated
This was my first reaction. Seems like some celebrities do this move.
I am so torn in these situations. I don’t want to simply assume anything about anyone. I am glad that whatever the case may be, the Ducks’ organization is being proactive. Maybe Murray truly just needed to enter rehab and simply can’t function as an alcoholic but did nothing specific- maybe he didn’t. But I don’t want to presume it was an case of player abuse or a sex scandal.
As far as coaches being a$$holes- where do we draw the line? If you watch even the most recent documentary on Amazon about the Leafs’ past year, you will see lots of clips of coaches screaming and cussing at players. I don’t think there is a sentence without an f bomb.. What I am saying is, isn’t this what we expect in hockey?
I would rather have a hard ass coach for my team with tons of experience than a guy afraid to push them because they might say something wrong. But I don’t know where the line is at all- what’s too much and what’s too little? I guess we can just hope the league continues being progressive, because these situations are terrible for all involved.
I think what crosses the line is disrespect. There are probably a lot of hardass coaches who come off like demanding pricks, but if there’s mutual respect there. They might be hard on players, but they also respect those players as people and show that.
As soon as you cross that line you have an issue. That’s where it becomes abusive. It’s up to the person in power to know where the line is, and if respect someone, you know and respect that line.
This was my first reaction. Seems like some celebrities do this move.
It’s impossible to know what is genuine or isn’t, but just like with Montgomery it’s certainly step one in the playbook to rehabilitate your public image.
