The organizers are the ones with the larger onus on safety and accountability here. To begin with they should know what to expect from the performers. It looks like Scott has a history of this and as such they should have been prepared better. Second, the organizing team has the authority and ability to kill the show and cut the mic at any time. They have hundreds if not thousands of people overseeing the show at all times in radio contact. It is easy for someone to make the call and shut things down.
It's his festival. He started it and it's named after one of his albums.
Astroworld Festival is an annual music festival run by American rapper Travis Scott, held in Houston, Texas, at NRG Park, near the former site of Six Flags AstroWorld. The festival was first held in November 2018.
He's the man at the top. I speculate that most people employed by the festival were terrified to take any action on their own because of Travis Scott's history of doing insane things like telling his fans to attack security guards.
When I was growing up as a young teen I was into the grunge scene at the time and mosh pits were the place to be at the time. They were scary, out of control and very violent. There were probably many deaths at those shows that never really hit the media. I recall a Pearl Jam death at some point in the mid 90s and it was shocking but not overly surprising if you ever took part in a mosh pit. It happened before I was born, in my youth and it will continue to happen after I am dead. They are tragic events but it is risk that comes with the environment.
Mosh pits are completely different. That's not what happened here.
He just tries to create chaos. He's been charged for inciting a riot at his show. He's told people to jump off balconies, told his fans to beat up his OWN shows security guards then to storm the stage.
Their was one show where a guy grabbed his shoe while he was on stage and instructed the crowd to beat that fan. 8 men then beat the living #### out of him 10 feet away from Scott.
This guy is a pos.
He's Kanye brother inlaw. (For all intents and purposes)
Those woman really attract the crazies to match there crazy
This is the most comparable situation to the Scott incident.
Corey Taylor (Slipknot) stops show because mosh pit was getting to violent and pushing towards the stage
"NO ones getting ####ing hurt on my ####ing watch! Back the #### up!"
Other metal shows being stopped due to rowdiness. Even in crowds bigger than Ateofest singers take control.
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You linked to an article that says he has not been charged with anything in this incident, which I think is opposite of the point you were trying to make.
You linked to an article that says he has not been charged with anything in this incident, which I think is opposite of the point you were trying to make.
It says investigation is happening. One would assume charges will be laid in due course. It was also written to show his history of inciting violence at his shows and that he has plead guilty to this sort of thing 3 times in the recent past.
I certainly wasn't posting it to show that he's a great guy that did nothing wrong and the article in no way says that.
Yea, mosh pits in the 90s could certainly get intense at times, but I always remember people being pretty good to each other for the most part. Helping each other up if someone fell, etc... and bands would usually stop the show and try and calm the crowd if things got too dangerous.
This whole thing reminds me of the incident in the early '00s at a Pearl Jam show. Eddie Vedder immediately stopped the show when the band got word that something was wrong.
There are hundreds of videos of artists of all types helping audience members in trouble. Linkin Park, SlipKnot, Guns and roses, nirvana, Oasis… etc…
Because most of them are humans. Unlike Travis Scott.
I've been at another show where Linkin Park called out some crap happening in the crowd.
I've also been able to get out of a situation where I've been over-heated, started not feeling great, and needed to get out. Though it was quite packed like sardines, I was able to.
It absolutely is the responsibility of the artist to control the dynamics of an audience. Scott could see all that was happening, and it really is a shame that instead of attempting to lower the energy to protect his audience and people who generate revenue for him, he contributed to more energy, and ultimately caused the death and injury to a number of his fans.
Yea, mosh pits in the 90s could certainly get intense at times, but I always remember people being pretty good to each other for the most part. Helping each other up if someone fell, etc... and bands would usually stop the show and try and calm the crowd if things got too dangerous.
This whole thing reminds me of the incident in the early '00s at a Pearl Jam show. Eddie Vedder immediately stopped the show when the band got word that something was wrong.
I remember that one, as I was at a festival myself when the news from Roskilde arrived. It was big news in Europe and lead to a lot of new practices.
For example, every festival of any size and most larger concerts since that Roskilde tragedy have diagonal barriers within the crowd, which protect the people at the front and direct the pressure of the crowd to the sides instead of towards the front of the stage. Just generally they split up the crowd into something other than just one huge mass. Even smaller club size concerts now have security measures to stop people from crowding the stage. In really big concerts there are quite a lot of various barriers and a lot more security than there used to be watching the crowd and making sure no-one is passing out.
I wonder what kind of safety measure were in place in AstroWorld.
The thing about something not being the first time is that the previous tragedies are a chance to learn, which means that when disaster strikes in 2021, the people in charge are a lot more directly responsible for what happened than they were in 2000.
At the end of the day Scott is going to be sued into oblivion. It was his festival, it was his concert, it was understaffed and poorly executed and he egged on the issue.
He's going to have to bear responsibility and more then just the funeral costs.
When you have people screaming at you that people are dying or dead and you stand there like a big dummy continuing to sing, or whatever that was, it shows that your an oblivious idiot.
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